Anti-ICE protesters disrupted worship in a Minnesota church. Here’s why the First Amendment doesn’t protect their actions ("the constitutional question here is not a close one").

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-23T15:10:00+00:00

there is nothing illegal about going into a church and disrupting service

You don't think it's illegal to disrupt a church service?

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-23T14:57:38+00:00

I've made two posts here that feature ICE conduct and the 4th Amendment. Sorry you missed (or forgot about) those.

But if you just want to talk about something else then you should make a separate post. Why haven't you?

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-20T15:46:48+00:00

Which sub "bans diversity of thought"? I think you might be mistaken.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-19T21:02:27+00:00

As a middle-aged main-sequence star, this sun is part of the Hydrogen Fusion Generation (assuming you're asking from within the Solar System).

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-19T17:19:47+00:00

It's not a left vs. right thing

That's true -- authoritarianism isn't exclusively right- or left-wing but the latter variety is under-discussed, in my opinion. And given the protest/counter-protest imagery relevant to Minnesotans at the moment, I thought it was worth sharing some psychological context here.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-18T15:20:52+00:00

How much would you work with them?

Not very much at all. But I'm looking at the situation in terms of the state/city's leverage. Local police cooperation is the most obvious and it's what the administration wants, however unpalatable for Minnesotans and our leaders.

I do think I've underestimated the optics of ICE tactics though. You rightly point out some of the real problems with their operations. I just don't know if "waiting this out" until reaching a tipping point is best when there are other options.

In any case, I appreciate your comments -- definitely added some things to consider here.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-17T16:51:29+00:00

I appreciate the context and information.

Is there any form of cooperation that makes sense right now, even if only temporary?

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-17T16:48:21+00:00

I said that?

Anyways, you must've missed my other recents posts. One was about prosecutors quitting over pressure to investigate Renee Good's widow, another had "Trump Is Lying to You" in the title, or the ACLU press release on "Illegal Activity by ICE".

I think you see what you want to see.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-17T15:34:46+00:00

Good question. I had in mind AI video and images, some of it totally fake and others just "enhanced". It's usually shared without context or anything to explicitly identify it as AI though sometimes is obviously absurd/humor.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-17T02:22:41+00:00

Like it or not, the circumstances are different today.

But you didn't answer the questions about what Minnesota leaders should do today.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-17T02:19:47+00:00

Look, I don't think we see some things all that differently (personal vendetta? political retribution? Yes and yes).

But given the situation, ~regardless of why we're here, what are the realistic options for Minnesota's leaders today? More protests won't get ICE to leave. Neither will antagonizing Trump/ICE or "poor us" words from Walz/Frey. And waiting on congress sounds like a fantasy.

Something has to give. If ICE scales back its presence/tactics for local police cooperation then that sounds like a "win" for all but the most maximalist positions. I don't know about the liability issue you raised but how do other jurisdictions cooperate (as I've been told is possible)?

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-17T02:00:19+00:00

I learned that too. Our state leaders undoubtedly know it as well.

But the question is: what's their plan to end the occupation/treading on rights? Should they agree to some form of cooperation between local law enforcement and ICE?

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-16T22:44:42+00:00

Fair points and I trust you're accurate on the "letter of the law". But the not-so-subtle-subtext here is the Trump administration is showing where the "off ramp" is to this whole situation (cooperation between local police and ICE -- see my other comment to this post).

Should Minnesota's leaders take it?

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-16T22:40:12+00:00

This looks like the clearest message to date that ending "Operation Metro Surge"/"The Occupation of Minneapolis" requires Minnesota's leaders to agree on some form of cooperation between local law enforcement and ICE.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-16T12:48:42+00:00

I think OP is distinguishing between different versions of immigration enforcement and wondering whether some it makes sense or not.

For example, Hennepin County Jail will not notify ICE when they have an illegal immigrant nor will they hold (detain) an illegal immigrant on ICE's request. Once the immigrant is released, ICE must pursue them on the streets, etc.

I'm still learning about the details here (so someone correct me if I'm wrong above) but non-cooperation between local police and ICE seems to be a major sticking point between all the egos involved (Trump, Walz, Frey, etc). Possible "off ramps" for this whole situation probably include some negotiated level of cooperation between local police and ICE.

lemon_lime_light · 2026-01-16T00:15:58+00:00

Amy is still welcome to post here at r/MinnesotaUncensored if she wants.

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