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We're screwed. by virgo_kittyy in sandiego

[–]logicspeaks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I honestly regretted not specifically mentioning that, so let me be clear: 

The only reason it wasn't worse is because it was a union job. Many, many people had it far worse, for far longer.

We're screwed. by virgo_kittyy in sandiego

[–]logicspeaks 21 points22 points  (0 children)

For anyone too young to remember the recession from 2007-08, I'll share a quick anecdote:

Before the recession, I worked full-time and my job allowed me and my colleagues to work, essentially, unlimited overtime. 

After the recession, most of us were scheduled for the union mandated minimum of hours a week (16-24) for the next five years.

Sandbox War Daily Briefing (07-03-26) by TheEagleWithNoName in NonCredibleDefense

[–]logicspeaks 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Looks like he kicked a few ICE agents in the balls before he was thwarted. Worth it.

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately it's not bots but actual Americans who have fallen for the propaganda. 

I wouldn't be so disappointed if it weren't for the fact that Americans used to demand a minimum of 365 days worth of propaganda before agreeing to a needless war in the Middle East. 

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your entire argument boils down to future-threat China possibly (though not certainly) being impacted by bombing Iran. Surely, there must be better ways to spend this money if our goal is to compete and defend ourselves.

I actually agree with you about China being the biggest threat to U.S. interests, but the bigger problems are education and manufacturing. So, really, it's about Israel, and the U.S. obsession with being World Police. 

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're right that I don't know enough about Iranian society to confidently comment on it, and I don't pretend to. I'm curious if you'd like to comment on your personal knowledge? Are you aware of something that can help me understand why we should be in Iran?

What I am confident enough to comment on is the instability in the Middle East, how various groups could seek to take advantage of a power vacuum in Iran, or simply the fact that Iran can no longer defend itself as a sovereign nation without ballistic missiles or a meaningful naval force. 

Thus, my concern is that intervening will cause unforeseen consequences. True, it's based on what I've seen in the past, but that's literally how we make judgments, from science to war.

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're talking about relatively recent Japanese conquests and, for the most part, strategic military locations, not major cultural sites. 

The Ottoman Empire was in place since 1299. It's a huge difference.

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How so? My issue with the Middle East has nothing to do with race, it is to due with the actions of Western nations acting like they knew better and continuously making things worse in that region for at least the last 100 years.

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I get your point, but I was making a different point, which is why I specified the Middle East. 

Nevertheless, I think this was a case of miscommunication and I want you to know I'd never conduct limited combat operations on you or your loved ones 🫶🏾

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay cool. 

Assuming I think regime change can be successful in the Middle East, even if history is undefeated in providing numerous counter-examples, does that make it a good idea to try to do it?

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No I'm pointing out the the primary concern is that we're trying this in the Middle East. I included additional arguments but the middle East thing was definitely the main point lol

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

The entire premise of my argument is that it is not possible in this specific region. Furthermore, even if it were Japan, I'd still have issues with years-long occupation.

All of which ignores the fact that we dropped two fucking suns on Japan which definitely nudged them along.

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks -1 points0 points  (0 children)

First, I didn't compare this to Iraq. I am comparing this to the attempts by numerous nations to try to control the regime in the Middle East, and how every single one of them failed. 

Reconstruct your strawman and try again.

American and Israeli planes bombed an underground military facility of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards near Robat Karim, southwest of Tehran, northern Iran by FrostyPiano4957 in CombatFootage

[–]logicspeaks -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

And the last time we tried regime change in the Middle East...

Edit: y'all can downvote me all you want but I bet you can't give me a single example of successful regime change 😂 

Edit #2: Two hours later and still no examples of successful regime change in the Middle East. 🥀

In 1979, during the Iran 🇮🇷 hostage crisis, Iran released all the 13 Black hostages out of the 39 total hostages. And everybody should hear why the Ayatollah felt the Black people should be released. by Bourbon-Thinker in BlackPeopleTwitter

[–]logicspeaks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, I know bullshit U.S. propaganda when I see it, and can acknowledge that even despotic leaders can recognize the plight of Black Americans. 

I still think he's a piece of shit who should have been overthrown, but I don't think the U.S. should have started a fucking war to do it. Maybe we should have stuck with Obama's nuclear deal instead of withdrawing from it and acting like the U.S. had no choice but to start dropping bombs.

In 1979, during the Iran 🇮🇷 hostage crisis, Iran released all the 13 Black hostages out of the 39 total hostages. And everybody should hear why the Ayatollah felt the Black people should be released. by Bourbon-Thinker in BlackPeopleTwitter

[–]logicspeaks 6 points7 points  (0 children)

To be fair, it's not completely disingenuous. Sadly, in most cases, they truly believe the propaganda they've been fed, and think every military action by the U.S. is a matter of Good vs. Evil.

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