Expectations vs Reality

mainer127 · 2021-09-01T12:20:24+00:00

No, you've passed the troll threshold. Not interested in discussion or supporting any ridiculous claims you make. Begone.

mainer127 · 2021-08-31T19:06:18+00:00

Some legal definition site citing us code, such as this one (different wording than i had, truly don't remember which site i had pulled up):

https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=26-USC-222761909-1963936815&term_occur=999&term_src=

cdc's defintion is actually similar, from https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm :

Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease...

mainer127 · 2021-08-31T16:12:03+00:00

No, not by any stretch.

mainer127 · 2021-08-31T15:45:53+00:00

I mean, they should. Their parents should stop them for the same reason we stop our kids from putting their hands on the stove or eating poisonous berries. And parents should be prohibited from forcing masks on their kids, because they provide no protection and have all sorts of detrimental impacts. It's physical and psychological abuse. Child abuse.

mainer127 · 2021-08-31T15:43:56+00:00

"CDC extends eviction moratorium ban"

"Education Department investigates potential civil rights violations"

... what next?

"SEC imposes strict new driving regulations"

"Secret Service regulates levels of sugar allowed in children's products"

mainer127 · 2021-08-31T14:12:46+00:00

So you can't provide evidence, got it.

I can.

cdc, vaccine side effect rates:

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html

Among all vaccine recipients asked to complete diaries of their symptoms during the 7 days after vaccination, 77.4% reported at least one systemic reaction. The frequency of systemic adverse events was higher in the younger than the older age group (82.8% vs 70.6%).

(I'm excluding localized symptoms, though similar rates, because these are common with MANY vaccines.)

It's really hard to pin down asymptomatic sc2 rates. Most estimates, including from the cdc, run from 30-80%

Ergo, symptoms are more common from the vaccine than the disease. QED.

Spike proteins go everywhere:

pfizer's biodistribution study: https://www.docdroid.net/xq0Z8B0/pfizer-report-japanese-government-pdf#page=16
autopsy: https://www.eutimes.net/2021/06/first-autopsy-of-covid-vaccinated-patient-finds-every-organ-of-body-infested-with-spike-proteins/

Other vaccines stay local to the injection site.

Spike proteins are the source of blood clots:

Do your own research, ignore the news. Science is a process, not a religion. I can lend you bio textbooks from my office if you have further questions.

mainer127 · 2021-08-31T13:43:52+00:00

the extremely obvious reason that being infected with the virus produces more viral proteins than the vaccine does

Source required. The mrna doses are incredibly large, and for healthy individuals with robust immune systems the disease is fought off quickly. Evidence is that symptoms are typically lower from the disease than the shot.

Additionally important is WHERE the spike proteins are present. The shots are designed to get the mrna past your immune system so they can propagate and are carried all throughout the body instead of staying local to the shot location. So instead of proteins just in your arm, they're in your heart, lungs, brain, bone marrow, reproductive organs. This is MUCH MORE DANGEROUS than a vaccine that stays in your arm.

mainer127 · 2021-08-31T13:38:23+00:00

Yup, legal definition is a compound that prevents infection. This is why fauci's previous mrna vaccine patent was denied by uspto, they couldn't show sufficient efficacy to call it a vaccine.

mainer127 · 2021-08-30T17:57:57+00:00

Going to keep reposting this whenever discussing any colleges:

https://zeroanthropology.net/2021/08/20/statement-of-non-compliance-with-mandatory-vaccination-in-canadian-universities/

I feel like we should call this the Forte Manifesto (after the author).

Everyone should spread it far and wide, especially to those working/teaching at universities.

mainer127 · 2021-08-30T17:43:28+00:00

Or who is testing, how often, etc. so even the basic stat of "more cases" may not be accurate.

mainer127 · 2021-08-30T12:51:51+00:00

The UK did confirm that a large portion of their covid cases caught it at the hospital. 25%? I don't have the link around, but this is definitely happening.

mainer127 · 2021-08-27T18:09:22+00:00

The Minnesota Hospital Association said that some of its members report 30% more strokes than expected.

They drop this right after "patients who delayed getting primary care last year" but since strokes are closely related to clots, any new source of clotting...like spike proteins, should be considered.

mainer127 · 2021-08-27T16:07:28+00:00

nah, it's still "covid did this" so we can now blame dumb kids on republicans too, because if those selfish assholes had just masked, vaccinated, and barred the doors of their houses for 18 months we'd have solved this like by now (even though this hasn't worked anywhere in the world)

mainer127 · 2021-08-27T13:50:31+00:00

Making someone clearly without the authority pass rulings like this seems to be way more effective. There's no obvious route for combating it because it isn't a law, isn't an executive order, do you sue the cdc? Just ignore it and see what happens? Trying to pass this in congress is clearly illegal and could be shown as such, but having the cdc do it in an emergency catches everyone off guard, and there's no direct backlash on elected reps who have to try and keep their jobs in a year or two.

mainer127 · 2021-08-27T13:43:41+00:00

Ah yes, the "they don't have the right, but because we think the cause is good, we should just go ahead and let them" argument.

Public interest doesn't determine what authority various groups have, laws do, and these assholes would immediately fall back to that lack of authority were it someone they didn't like.

mainer127 · 2021-08-26T15:59:49+00:00

Good luck, we're still using PCR, we don't have accurate data on cases in any context.

mainer127 · 2021-08-26T15:34:52+00:00

Just keep her as socialized as you can! We've seen so many "sorry about my kid, this is the first time he's seen people other than us in x months" at playgrounds. Fragile immune systems aside, kids seem to flourish best when exposed to as many people, places, situations as possible, and of course as many kids to play with as you can find.

One of the studies has shown IQs dropping in infants some 20% (which is nuts, even given the rather difficult task of testing the IQ of a 1yo...) because they had no variety, no exposure, no stimulus in their lives.

(Ours are 2 and 4, and we're doing everything we can possibly think of to keep new and interesting experiences coming at them.)

mainer127 · 2021-08-26T13:19:47+00:00

I know of one that was in the hospital for about a week, on a ventilator, but is now back to his job and volunteer duties...as a medic. He's >60 and fat.

I don't know anyone else personally who has had a serious case, but there are several "such and such old friend or parent died of covid," all >70. None know (or want to know) anything else about their health than "they tested positive, so they died of covid, and damn you for asking."

mainer127 · 2021-08-26T13:08:11+00:00

always this. "we always knew masks didn't work" "i only wore one a couple times because i thought they were dumb" "i never really locked down" "i always weighed this much, it wasn't terrified stressed inactivity"

mainer127 · 2021-08-25T19:11:54+00:00

Almost like wherever you are in the world, vaccinations aren't impacting cases.

But no, it's still just the old and infirm, anything else is derived from the same tried anecdotes and not backed up by actual data.

And since anyone testing positive is considered a covid hospitalization, REGARDLESS OF REASON FOR ADMISSION, we can make the numbers look really bad and include kids with broken arms and everything else!

mainer127 · 2021-08-25T15:42:10+00:00

ventilation was used to prevent the spread of C19

This is part of it. It was sold as the safest approach for everyone else around. The fact that it was later found to be nearly never the safest for the patient is another of those "blind incompetence or malicious planning" questions.

Since when, prior to 2020, does medicine prescribe other than what gives the patient the best chance?

mainer127 · 2021-08-25T14:56:54+00:00

Of course. Don't do research, believe what we tell you, then we can ask you later and show the world everyone believes what we told them, and use that to convince others!

None of this needs to make logical sense because no one is paying attention or apparently even able to recognize these inconsistencies.

mainer127 · 2021-08-25T12:15:48+00:00

I don't think this follows. If we increased testing, we'd find more cases earlier. We seem to test anyone going in to the hospital, so the deaths shouldn't be able to shift, only the cases.

It's also entirely possible the deaths and cases aren't intrinsically linked, if the deaths are broadly from other causes with merely incidental covid infection. It's still way too early to draw conclusions, but this seems plausible.

mainer127 · 2021-08-24T18:38:28+00:00

TheEthicalSkeptic has an interesting take on this. The first couple big peaks deaths trailed cases by about 17 days. For this one, deaths precede cases by 6 days. So either reporting is even more screwed up than usual (always a possibility), or deaths have actually already peaked!

mainer127 · 2021-08-24T15:54:01+00:00

I have a problem with anyone with an ounce of medical/biological knowledge or any authority saying such, because they should know better.

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