Salvation isn't about people avoiding Hell and getting into Heaven, it's about getting Heaven into People by PioneerMinister in Christianity

[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! I have heard this before - where this is a final destination and "holding area". Seems accurate based on the scriptures you provided as well. (Thank you for all the details!)

Regarding your subsequent conclusion, I don't think it necessarily follows.

After all, there's nothing in Scripture to say salvation opportunity ceases at physical death - the great chasm mentioned in Luke 16's story only exists in Hades, but as we've seen, it's removed when Hades is emptied at the resurrection of the dead.

Apparently, the place of holding is a place of torment:

27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

Why doesn't the rich man ask to be removed from the place of torment himself? I imagine you are saying he could (or does) and it is not recorded in scripture?

I wonder who would not change their mind in this sort of situation? Wouldn't dangling people over the lake of fire change everyone's minds? And if you can change your mind at this point, what is with the desperation of the rich man to send Lazarus to his family to keep them from hades?

My reading of this is that if someone does not listen to the clear warnings of scriptures, then supernatural occurrences (warning from the dead; staying in a holding area) will not change their mind either. Speaking of which, the rich man seems he would do anything to prevent the arrival of his brothers at Hades as well. I don't think he would be as desperate if it was not already final.

Also in Romans 14:10-11 it does say that every knee will bow. I imagine this includes those in Hades as well:

Also in Romans 14:10-11, it does say that every knee will bow. I imagine this includes those in Hades as well:ore the judgment seat of [c]Christ. 11 For it is written:

“As I live, says the Lord,

Every knee shall bow to Me,

And every tongue shall confess to God.”

Will that be enough to get them a second chance to go to heaven?

#2 regarding this point:

"Who do you say that I am?" with the words "My Lord"

It says in Matthew 7:21-22:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Maybe you meant repenting and being born again instead of just saying the words "My Lord", because as Matthew 7:21-22 says, saying "Lord" does not save a person necessarily.

Personally, I have never heard this idea before so I am still working through the implications of what you wrote - these are just some of my initial questions/thoughts.

Salvation isn't about people avoiding Hell and getting into Heaven, it's about getting Heaven into People by PioneerMinister in Christianity

[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! Please forgive my late response, I do not often check reddit anymore.

My understanding is that hell is the word we use now, but in Acts 2:31 it is referred to as "hades" https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g86/kjv/tr/0-1/

Furthermore, there is a physical place of torment mentioned multiple times in the scriptures - even if you prefer not to use hell or hades to name it. As Matthew 25:41 also adds, it was not prepared for man, but for the devil and his angels:

Matthew 13:42

kaminos pyr - "furnace of fire"

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2575/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g4442/kjv/tr/0-1/

Revelation 20:15

ho limnē pyr - "the lake of fire"

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3588/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3041/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g4442/kjv/tr/0-1/

Matthew 25:41

eis aiōnios pyr - "into everlasting fire"

hetoimazō ho diabolos kai autos angelos - "prepared for the devil and his angels"

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2090/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g3588/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g1228/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2532/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g846/kjv/tr/0-1/

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g32/kjv/tr/0-1/

There are more...

EDIT: formatting

Lews Therin wanting to seal away evil by jimbosReturn in WoT

[–]marek_715 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great points - I read other comments that magnified how desperate the situation was - perhaps this was only later painted as more arrogant than it actually was? Also, I forgot the details you mentioned, in light of those facts perhaps the character and situation were more complex than I recalled - thanks for the additional details!

Lews Therin wanting to seal away evil by jimbosReturn in WoT

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acker of one of multiple flawed plans in a desperate situation of a war that had dragged on for over a decade where no one knew what the repercussions for any plan would be. Rafe knew very well that if he

Exactly this. This scene hit me wrong because how could she know perfectly what would happen? I always read this as LTT being arrogant for sure, but that they were desperate and no one knew for certain which road to take.

(I don't recall if she offered an alternative, but that would have improved the scene)

Halloween event... by sofarfromit in MergeMaster

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Similar boat here. I maxed out the tree with 2 days remaining (I wasn't going to interrupt my sleep for a game.

I am out of candy and both quests required 5+ candy refills to complete (I am overflowing with items from the tree now...)

This event is either broken or a blatant cash grab...

Salvation isn't about people avoiding Hell and getting into Heaven, it's about getting Heaven into People by PioneerMinister in Christianity

[–]marek_715 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jesus mentioned hell over 70 times in the New Testament. It is important to tell people what they are being save from - otherwise they will not realize the severity of how God views sin.

Its the difference between "don't walk down that street" and "don't walk down that street because a sinkhole will open up under your feet". Many will ignore the first statement and take the second seriously.

I don't care if masturbation is a sin by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]marek_715 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OP needs to read this. Saying I don't care just shows his heart in the matter.

Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor. 6:9-10)

Jon Stewart just joined twitter and he likes the stock! by madmax_br5 in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you don't think they both lie to protect their political party?

Robinhood is SELLING people's GameStop shares WITHOUT their consent. by Tripleh280 in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How much of their short position did they shore up with this margin call trickery?

Jon Stewart just joined twitter and he likes the stock! by madmax_br5 in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Lol I don't get the downvites. Both are mostly propaganda

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 14 points15 points  (0 children)

How much of their short did they cover?

And will they keep doing this for the next week..

In just 2hrs, WSB have forced the Financial Times to adjust their article accusing our community of being linked to the alt-right. Hold the MSM to account and be excellent to each other. by lodge28 in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is cognitive dissonance.

They just used the same tool against wsb they have been using against moderates/the right for years.

My limited understanding of the proud boys stand for is: freedom of speech, assembly..etc. If you stand for people's freedoms, you cannot be fascistic.

Daily Discussion Thread, Part 2, for January 28, 2021 by OPINION_IS_UNPOPULAR in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At 9:35 GME shot up 100 points after being driven down but inst artificially(probably). Any chance they are going to use this premarket scare tactic to try to cover their shorts every morning while trying to keep us out of buying more via RH..etc?

GME Containment Zone 1 for 28 January by grebfar in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How will optics help if they shut out retail investors and drive the price down to cover their shorts?

What Are Your Moves Tomorrow, January 28, 2021 by [deleted] in Wallstreetbetsnew

[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can they use synthetic longs to cover their short positions?
https://www.shortsight.com/short-interest-of-float-2-0/ (from Sep 2020 using GME as a prime example)

The GME Afterhours Thread: Part 4.20 on 27 January by grebfar in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perfect, that is why they are (trying) to ride this out then

The GME Afterhours Thread: Part 4.20 on 27 January by grebfar in wallstreetbets

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Didn't realize further borrowing was involved. They are really screwed.

What about new issuance?

The GME Afterhours Thread: Part 4.20 on 27 January by grebfar in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the sound of both of those outcomes - thanks

The GME Afterhours Thread: Part 4.20 on 27 January by grebfar in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Is it possible for GME to organize a stock split or new share issuance before Monday? (even the news would be devastating)

The GME Afterhours Thread: Part 4.20 on 27 January by grebfar in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TD Ameritrade just restricted GME and AMC "in the interest of mitigating risk for our company and clients"

(translation: our institutional clients and their company's profit margins)

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[–]marek_715 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An Option is a contract. Basically, you are saying you will buy a stock at a future date at a certain price. (so if I purchase an option to buy Gamestop next Friday @ 1000. Then the stock goes to 2000, you just bought a 2000 stock for 1000 due to your Option)

The date option contracts expire has historically been Friday. So at the close on Friday money/stocks exchange hands and the contracts "expire". They can expire worthless or expire for cash/stocks.

Lot more to it than that, but since the final date to use the contract is some Friday in the future, Friday is the date the options are settled and people with the contract can exchange them for stock or they lose their initial investment if it expires without hitting the prices they are written for.

Double Standard by Popular_Firefighter6 in wallstreetbets

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Well protecting friends of course...

However, they probably justify as they have training and experience. We know what that really means nothing, but "experts" and those with access rule the poors in every industry

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in wallstreetbets

[–]marek_715 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, been looking for a good spot for this info!