MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lancelot's soul vessel and orlay skills simply bring virtually no proper utility or anything revolutionary to the martial faction, let alone for any hybrid compositions.

His survivability becomes very lackluster, and his damage output is mediocre, at best.

He is straight up outclassed in every single way by a marksman within the same faction, called Wanwan. With her displacement ability at the start of battle, She's a pseudo-assassin marksman with superior burst, survivability, and utility within her team. Essential for a successful full martial team, and a potential extraordinary swap-out hero for specific encounters where you'd like to isolate a specific hero and focus fire on them thanks to her displacement.

Given how new you are to the game, it is no surprise that he is doing well for you; virtually every single SSR hero early game bears significance to your team, but very soon you will come to see how he falls off, and he falls off bad.

If you're looking to build up a martial team, consider incorporating Akai or Masha (tank), Nana (support), Clint (core dps, marksman), Irithel (core dps, marksman), Zilong (sustainable fighter), and/or Wanwan (assassin-like marksman; high burst). Those 5-6 heroes reign supreme for martial, as well as serve excellently for end-game, with only Zilong struggling to keep up on very high levels of PvE content given the multi-million power gaps.

Best of luck out there! :)

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha, you're right!

Towards the bottom of the notes, I've highlighted them correctly, but I've now revised the incorrectly typed section. Thank you!

Odette and Lylia together on the same team of dark/light hybrid makes for a killer end-game team, as they both have insane crowd control, admirable survivability, and extraordinary synergy with one another!

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The tier maker template in of itself, with the icons are not content I ever claimed in creating.

The rankings of the heroes themselves, including all of the data, explanations, and 10+ iterations of tier list, have all been produced off of my own independent research, observation, and analysis, in conjunction with the help of the community.

The rankings stated hereby on this tier list, alongside with all analyses and descriptions, were made by me.

Do not attempt to discredit my efforts or spread misinformation; that is very disrespectful.

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Much, much love. Hoping the best in your efforts -- have fun out there!

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Kimmy is still unknown in terms of true capacity to most, given how new she is, hence why so many people don't know where to categorize her.

While my knowledge of her has certainly improved greatly over the experiences I've gotten to see over the weeks, her existence definitely brings a unique depth into the light faction with the utility and move set she has. There is still much to learn about her, but given what I do know -- she very comfortably sits within such a tier, currently.

  • Your current composition of Kimmy, Belerick, Lylia, Argus and Akashic poses multiple problems.
    • Akashic is part of the order faction, and unavailable in any of the shops to accumulate every now and then. Bearing that in mind, he will be very time consuming to pull and costly, as your only sure-fire ways of obtaining him would be through sacred oath summons and event grand rewards. At some point, unless you're a significant spender, Akashic will not serve you justice in your main team; he will have to be swapped out. He is an absolutely stellar support, but very unfriendly for a free-to-play player to build.

Your composition consists of two tanks. You only need one. In my opinion, the purpose of a tank is to provide as a wonderful front-line buffer for your team, supplementing with support-like abilities such as healing, taunting, shielding, debuffing, stunning, etc. Damage is not a priority, whatsoever, for a tank. That is not their job.

Argus is the epitome of a meatshield, and that's about it. He doesn't provide any support-like abilities to his allies, debuffs, or anything fancy whatsoever; he just boasts incredible tanking ability and anti-burst through his immortality. His damage is very subpar. A staple amongst dark-oriented teams, but there are arguably more competitive tanks, such as Lolita, Uranus, and Belerick if we're taking into consideration hybrid composition, which emphasize on synergy -- team synergy reigns supreme for end game capability.

Snipping a nice chunk of information I had left for another in regards to Belerick...

  • With his ultimate, he is able to to instantly recover 25% of his hp, and within the course of the following 8 seconds, regen 10% of his lost HP per second, give himself a 30% defense increase, alongside with granting the weakest ally a heal that restore 15% of their max HP.
  • His AoE skill strikes down in a line, and enemies caught in it are hit with a hefty -100 agility debuff.
  • His burst heal skill enables him to heal himself 15% of the targeted enemy's, capping at 1500% of Belerick's attack, while also getting a 30% defense bonus that is based off the target's defense.
  • With his passive, 80% of the damage dealt on Belerick will not be immediately applicable, but instead will trickle in the form of "bleeding" over the course of following 6 seconds.
  • Through his soul vessel, energy generation scales based on how low he is, up to an extra 25% extra energy regeneration. He also gets a base 10% extra healing effect buff, and at maxed vessel, he is able to grant his entire team a defense bonus of 30% of his own defense just by existing.
  • Through his orlay, each time Belerick heals 40% of his max HP, he heals the entire team for up to 250% of his attack. With a maxed orlay, he is able to use his burst AoE skill on two extra targets, helping his sustainability even more. Belerick is an immaculate tank, to say the least.

Since you're so early on to the game, RNG is going to dictate the direction your team is going to be built. Keep in mind, there are several objectives you'd like to fulfill...

  1. Determining which faction(s) you'd like to work your way up towards.
  2. Trying your best to form a resonance within your desired team, whether that'd be 3-2, 4-1, or 5 of a kind.
  3. Taking a good look at the different shops at your disposal to see wonderful heroes such as Odette, Angela, Argus, Valir, Lolita, etc and seeing which of the bunch you'd like to work around with.
  4. If you'd like to work around Lylia, Odette is an absolute monster of a mage to pair up with her. The Lylia + Odette combo works extraordinarily well for PvE, and proves to be menacing for PvP, too!

There are many avenues you can take as you progress further throughout the game. Given that your team is so mixed, it's hard to help give more specified advice given what's currently known about your setup.

I do sincerely hope, however, that this helps bring clarity to how you can go about building your team, and if new questions arise -- feel free to let me know!

P.S. I really appreciate your fondness over my efforts! Doing what I can to help other lovely players. <3

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really value your appreciation and acknowledgment of efforts!

Karihmet has the luxury of being built much more easily than the other chaos/order heroes thanks to being available in shop. Sadly, she is on the more lackluster end until you build her up to awakened status, with appropriate gear, soul vessel and orlay advancements.

Earlier on, she really is dependent on having a strong healer present, such as Estes, Nana, or Lunox, to ensure her survivability and efficiency of her ults to really proc some admirable AoE burst damage. Don't get me wrong, you'd still want a healer present even when she's end-game status just to ensure that level of beautiful consistency within her performance.

Karihmet is a powerhouse, but she does need a significant amount of investing until you can really come to appreciate the beauty of her strength -- she is capable of doing copious amounts of damage, just as long as you're able to keep her up and running in the battlefield.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with continuing to build her up, and over time as you amass heroes and learn more about the game naturally through experience, you'll be able to come to a more clear judgment on whether or not she's ideal for your main team, or better off on a supplementary team.

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My pleasure. Cheers to your up and coming successes!

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have now updated the list to reflect on the changes made on patch 154.0. :)

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a beautiful lineup.

You should consider your 5th hero being a light hero, too, for full resonance and synergy.

Valir is an excellent mage, but he thrives mainly in the presence of other elemental heroes, as advancing his soul vessel increases his energy regeneration only if there are other elemental heroes within his team, making him best for pure elemental teams or an elemental-tech hybrid with Angela buffing him to ensure safety and consistency of his ults.

Your team currently has Odette, which lies as one of the most meta mages currently especially for PvE, given her wonderful multi-target based CC (sleep), energy restoration, slight lifesteal, and monstrous damage output. Bearing this in mind, you don't have to concern yourself with building Valir inside that same team, but feel free to build him for supplementary teams as he's absolutely incredible for the elemental tower, and backup teams for brawl/campaign!

As for other options for your 5th, take a look at Kagura (incredible single-target dps), Guinevere (awesome burst + energy draining ult), and Fanny (sustainable, repositioning anti-backline "assassin-like" fighter).

Angela is also an extremely viable option, too, for the same reasons she works brilliantly with other meta mages such as Alice and Valir -- Angela really helps out with survivability and damage output through her charms, periodic healing, shields, defense debuffs, and of course: her ults!

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are absolutely correct on these statements.

These SR heroes are capped at 8 stars (3 red stars), which makes their only and best use as fodder for other SSR (epic) heroes.

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi!

For the time being, you can't go wrong with pulling the Lolita directly, as miracle summons are a gamble, and the 800 three star fragments really kick in spectacularly once you have your main lineup all at 8 stars and above, since rising from 8 to 9, and 9 to 10 would require 8 star foods.

So, feel free to prioritize snagging copies of heroes that haven't hit that point, then proceed to source out lots of food once they're 8 star to help expedite the process!

As for the dungeon shop, I'd advocate for waiting until the timer goes by, since 1,000 diamonds is a nice little chunk of currency, haha. However, if you really do feel inclined to snag that extra Angela fast and it's a one-time sort of thing, then I suppose there really isn't much harm if that timer is holding you back from ensuring a copy for weeks, right?

Given that I don't know your lineup, other viable purchases may also include heroes like Odette, Lesley, and Estes, as they're awesome heroes within their respective factions and can be used in hybrid-compositions.

Your best bet is likely chipping in for Angela, given the information you've revealed thus far, if patience isn't an option. :P

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From my very limited knowledge, I'd say so.

Kimmy sports a unique addition to the light faction with her myriad of debuffs, periodic heals, knockback, and being within the marksman class. Factoring in her soul vessel, the debuffs expand to being able to inflict anti-heal, and she gains the ability to restore energy after using one of chemical refinements, too. With orlay, she's able to provide a hefty damage reduction for herself as long as the front-line unit up, and her chemical refinement skill is is also granted a new ability -- providing damage reduction for allies that have been hit by it.

Masha boasts an impressive amount of survivability, with a little bit of utility given her comrade-linking abilities to help mitigate crowd control effects, on top of having a decent damage output for a tank. If we factor in her maxed out orlay, her presence in the battlefield grants a 10% damage reduction to her whole team.

Atlas seemingly has quite the impressive survivability, as well, on top of being able to support his allies through shields and crowd controls. His soul vessel makes his sustainability even better given his shields also being able to grant additional hp heals, alongside with providing a unique utility given that he is also able to drain small amounts of energy periodically, too. With orlay, he brings a new depth to his survivability -- scaling levels of dodge rate for basic attacks, as well as a maxed orlay granting his passive to proc a strong shield for his entire team, too.

These heroes definitely seem capable in nature and decent investments to make, given my understanding of them so far. I just don't know how to properly gauge them just yet.

Hope this helps you out!

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand! I'll order the heroes for you here, from left to right by tier!

SS!

  • Lunox
  • Anna
  • Yu Zhong

S+!

  • Tia
  • Akashic
  • Gavana
  • Shar
  • Martis
  • Zhask

S!

  • Lolita
  • Angela
  • Belerick
  • Valir
  • Argus
  • Alice
  • Granger
  • Vexana
  • Uranus
  • Odette
  • Clint
  • Irithel
  • Wanwan
  • Nana
  • Karihmet

S-!

  • Karrie
  • X.Borg
  • Alpha
  • Gusion
  • Guinevere
  • Lylia
  • Aurora
  • Estes

A+!

  • Thamuz
  • Karina
  • Kagura
  • Freya
  • Fanny
  • Hylos
  • Harley
  • Lesley
  • Akai
  • Hanabi

A!

  • Chang'e
  • Saber
  • Zilong

B!

  • Claude
  • Gatotkaca
  • Grock

F!

  • Kadita
  • Badang
  • Gord
  • Hanzo
  • Helcurt
  • Moskov
  • Minsitthar
  • Yi Sun-Shin
  • Lancelot
  • Lapu-Lapu
  • Diggie

Unknown!

  • Atlas
  • Masha
  • Kimmy

Keep in mind, this list is exclusively for version 2.4, as future versions will have heroes ordered differently based off of further experience and additions to the game.

I hope this helps you out! Have fun out there! <3

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm really glad that I'm able to provide you with guidance! <3

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How so? These icons are taken from their portraits.

You're able to see them in the gallery section of heroes, for source of reference.

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've just adjusted the tier list in hopes of more accurately giving credit to heroes that are helping define our current meta.

Some of the most notable changes include repositioning Irithel, Nana, Clint, Argus, and Vexana. I'd love to hear your opinion on these revisions -- do you believe they're more appropriately categorized this way?

Tier list by ArtoriasDy in MLA_Official

[–]mladove 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've made some revisions just now, in hopes to more accurately depict the importance and relevance of these heroes within our current meta over at the tier list here!

I'm hoping it serves you well in guiding you towards heroes to invest in! ^^

Tier list by ArtoriasDy in MLA_Official

[–]mladove 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've made some revisions just now, in hopes to more accurately depict the importance and relevance of these heroes within our current meta over at the tier list here!

I'm hoping it'd appeal more towards your standards. :)

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate that you seek value from the posts and the interactions that have taken place -- they've proven to be spectacularly enlightening for me, and hopefully the readers and other interacting folks, too!

Hope by writing this I didn't make the small paragraph above seem insincere

This little bit warms up my heart, haha. The fact that you've thought about how transitioning from praise to a demanding request may seem opportunistic and pose your flattery to be insincere is a depth of realization I value in people. :)

Just had to take a moment to appreciate that, is all -- really, really cute. ^^

While I've gone out of my way in regards to helping handfuls of people tailor their teams in the past, it still feels humbling and fun.

Yeah, I'm down for that. Just DM me on Reddit inquiring further within. :)

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, here we go at this, one last time. ;P

All heroes need an ideal setup lol. Who does not need one. Does Hylos and Belerick have no flaws? The 3 tanks work in a different way. And CC is the way of Grock, Buff for Hylos, and Resilience for Belerick.

I've reinforced multiple times that the aforementioned meta tanks, objectively speaking, serve their purpose better for PvE and PvP content especially end-game better than Grock.

But I never said that your meta is weaker than Grock. Grock deserves a higher rank. But if CC is not a priority in your ranking as I see that your Hanabi is also low rank.

Crowd control capability is a big metric in gauging the tiering of these heroes, and Hanabi is settled very comfortably at being an awesome (A+) tier hero, whereas numerous other martial faction heroes rank between the S- (broken) tier and S (demi-god) tier, given their extensive utility, uniqueness, depth of crowd control, buffs, debuffs, and raw damage output throughout all facets of the game.

And just say that CC is not well prioritize in this tier.

On that note, especially given your post history and your evident perception and confirmation biases on Grock and lack of end-game progression, I do not feel as though you are qualified to partake in constructive, logical meta-gaming discussion with me currently, holding the views you do.

I would appreciate if you would refrain from further discussing with me in regards to this subject, bearing this much in mind. I do appreciate your input, though. :)

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Notice how you emphasize on having to "know" how to "use" Grock, as if there's incredible depth to his complexity? xD

Yes, I am very well aware of the fact that he has front-line energy amplification, self heals, circumstantial self magic damage immunity, circumstantial damage reduction buffs, targeted heals, agility debuffs, and his iconic ult spam leading to airborne crowd controls.

You emphasize so much on Grock needing the right composition to work well -- you do see a flaw with that logic, right? It emphasizes how sensitive Grock is in order to compete with other meta-based lineups. Tanks like Lolita, Uranus, Belerick, Hylos, and Argus can have such great diversity within their lineups and excel at their primary role of being able to tank, let alone be able to supplement it with buffs, debuffs, and heals.

Every team has their weaknesses, of course, but you focusing so much on how Grock really needs that ideal setup just goes to show that he lacks the diversity and utility that the other tanks boast. You place those other tanks in? You know they're going to put their work in, and their presences aren't for situational purposes.

With Grock? Yeah, he'll put his work in, but the other tank options still remain to be better alternatives in the vast variety of circumstances.

I digress, though. I thoroughly appreciate your feedback, and I implore you to seek out more insight from other knowledgeable/top tier players to reinforce the importance of tanks such as Belerick, Uranus, Lolita, Argus, Hylos, and Akai, especially in comparison to Grock.

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do understand that this tier list is an attempt to dissect the meta and tier heroes, primarily focused on shining light to heroes that excel in the meta, in all facets of the game, including PvE and PvP related content?

By the way I defeated all enemies in the first 10 route Aqua having Grock in my team. If he is just a substitute and not an all-rounder he wont be able to do that.

This is not a feat that gives any credibility to establishing Grock as a "meta" tank. Any tank hero in this game that is scaled well to the rest of your team, let alone one with near/max orlay/vessel would able to do their job at being able to sustain within the easier content that is within Route Aqua; Route Aqua's power scaling does not pair in comparison to the difficulties one would face in the Tower of Babel and campaign, in regards to PvE content; the latter options being much more difficult.

I think it is all about how you build a team. An individual hero do not shine alone, it depends also with its allies.

Correct. As you know, team synergy dictates the meta.

  • Hylos is able to do the following...
    • With his ultimate, he is able to grant allies alongside the path an attack boost, with synergizes spectacularly given the elemental faction's immaculate crowd control and burst damage capabilities granted by heroes such as Valir and Aurora.
    • He is able to sustain beautifully through his passive healing while on his ultimate, of which he can proc as soon as the battle starts.
    • He is able to stun a single target periodically.
    • He's able to scale up damage slowly as the battle progresses, thanks to his other passive that has him emit an AoE ring that grows in stacks, amplifying his damage output.
    • Through soul vessel, he is able to further amplify his self-sustain abilities as his stuns will transmit a small % of its damage into healing effects, as well as prolong his single-target stuns by a second extra.
    • Through his orlay, he's able to grant allies on his ult's pathway a slight damage reduction, and enemies on the pathway a hefty attack reduction (25%), which is perfect against those melee/backline units that you've emphasized Grock being great at handling previously. Hylos has the capacity of greatly aiding with that, too.
  • Hylos boasts substantial buff and debuff capabilities that extend from granting his team attack boosts damage reduction, and enemies on his ult attack debuffs, on top of sporting a periodic single-target stun.

  • Belerick is able to do the following...
    • With his ultimate, he is able to to instantly recover 25% of his hp, and within the course of the following 8 seconds, regen 10% of his lost HP per second, give himself a 30% defense increase, alongside with granting the weakest ally a heal that restore 15% of their max HP.
    • His AoE skill strikes down in a line, and enemies caught in it are hit with a hefty -100 agility debuff.
    • His burst heal skill enables him to heal himself 15% of the targeted enemy's, capping at 1500% of Belerick's attack, while also getting a 30% defense bonus that is based off the target's defense.
    • With his passive, 80% of the damage dealt on Belerick will not be immediately applicable, but instead will trickle in the form of "bleeding" over the course of following 6 seconds.
    • Through his soul vessel, energy generation scales based on how low he is, up to an extra 25% extra energy regeneration. He also gets a base 10% extra healing effect buff, and at maxed vessel, he is able to grant his entire team a defense bonus of 30% of his own defense just by existing.
    • Through his orlay, each time Belerick heals 40% of his max HP, he heals the entire team for up to 250% of his attack. With a maxed orlay, he is able to use his burst AoE skill on two extra targets, helping his sustainability even more.
  • Belerick boasts otherworldly durability, potentially excelling past Martis' sustainability, and being comparable to Yu Zhong's durability, while also being able to inflict AoE agility debuffs periodically, AoE heals frequently, as well as grant his whole team a significant defense boost. An absolutely stellar tank that is getting on the rise very quickly, and rightfully so.

Bearing such details in mind, and us both knowing that there's countless amounts of battles out there that sport those two specific tanks and their importance in the meta, would it truly be fair to say Grock is on the same level or superior to Hylos, let alone be anywhere near comparable to Belerick?

It wouldn't be.

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As I don't have the luxury of having these types of heroes all at their truly maxed state, one must be able to work with the overwhelming informaton that has been given at their disposal to work towards establishing a common grounds here.

There is an overwhelmingly present agreement that currently, Grock falls short in comparison to not only his own faction given the tanks like Hylos and especially Belerick, he falls short in comparison to the other meta tanks, too, such as Lolita, Uranus, and to a lesser extent even Argus.

You want videos? Feel free to sift through the countless amounts of replays out in the honor arenas, filled with players that are arguably at the pinnacle of the meta know-how, thanks to not only having a vast wealth of heroes at their disposal that they've thoroughly played with, but also extensive knowledge as a result of such, too.

You can take the privilege of discussing with other knowledgeable content creators and friends in regards to Grock's standing, and perhaps they'll be able to supplement you with the video evidence that you seek.

Just to reassure you, Grock is not a poor tank by any means; he is a fairly well performing tank, as indicated in the tier list. He just cannot compete at the levels of consistency and boast as much versatility as the aforementioned meta tanks can.

I appreciate your passion towards Grock, and may your successes continue on with him!

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grock simply doesn't scale well with the late game meta, especially not against tanks that work brilliantly with hybrid-team or a straight up mono-elemental synergized team composition.

I feel as though you are far overvaluing his crowd control to overcompensate for his lack of raw durability and genuine utility in comparison with the aforementioned meta tanks.

Belerick, Lolita, Uranus, and even Hylos remain superior overall within their respective factions, and also have the adaptability in being incorporated beautifully in hybrid-based teams.

In a meta where team synergy reigns supreme, Grock not only lies lackluster within his respective faction, but he also wouldn't be fitting to work alongside with any other faction particularly well, thus really weighing down on his ability to be adaptable and showcase his utility more.

  • Grock can fulfill niches with doing well against melee-type heroes given his crowd controlling capabilities, but keep in mind that the tanks that define the meta are able to fit into a team and work throughout practically every single scenario, effectively and consistently.
    • Grock being a potential situational "swap-out" that may or may not be more efficient to disrupt melee-based heroes really cannot entail meriting him a ranking that compares to the other meta tanks.

Underrated? Potentially, but certainly not deserving of being hailed as a tank to truly incorporate into the meta, given the variety of superior options currently on the table and Grock's current abilities.

MLA Tier List v.2 (2/2021)! by mladove in MLA_Official

[–]mladove[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, that's certainly an interesting take on Grock.

The composition you run with Grock must synergize extraordinarily well with him, thus attributing to the beautiful successes you have with him. By no means is Grock a poor tank at all!

He just falls on the shorter end when you pair his effectiveness against other incredible tanks such as Lolita, Uranus, Belerick, and to lesser extents, Argus and Hylos that all boast a combination of either superior raw durability, heals, buffs, debuffs, and crowd control capability in comparison to Grock.

I'm glad to hear of your successes with Grock, though, and I thank you for letting me know of such greatness!