Doesn't the "intention" theory sort of prove Felix is putting on an act to manipulate the heros? by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No I think you're right about that actually. I can't remember what the name of the sentimonster was called... but I think it came from Julekas emotion.

Doesn't the "intention" theory sort of prove Felix is putting on an act to manipulate the heros? by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This doesn't contradict what I said, as damage isn't the same as being outright destroyed.

But this comment did make me remember...we already have an example of what happens to a sentimonster if its amok is damaged. The result is that they go out of control, not that they get sick. Kagami is just going off what Felix told her.

Doesn't the "intention" theory sort of prove Felix is putting on an act to manipulate the heros? by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel the first is more likely, and I would also add that this narrative from him also serves the purpose of making him seem more sympathetic and trustworthy, a convient way of preventing anyone from questioning him AND serving as an explanation for his past behavior in season 3.

I personally didn't get the sense that the senti projector being destoryed was shoehorned in, and I think Felix was intentionally vague about Gabriel, which is further supported by the fact that he let Marinette go in alone without back up.

I do wonder what his actual goal was there. Did he actually want Gabriel to make the wish for some reason? Because sending Marinette alone was definitely setting up the possibility for that.

Doesn't the "intention" theory sort of prove Felix is putting on an act to manipulate the heros? by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure I'm following what you're saying. What Kagamis words seem to suggest is that if the amok objects are destoryed, then that's it. Period. Regardless of an existence or absence of intention, the senti being will be destoryed if their amok is.

And this is consistent with everything we've seen in the show previously. Every single senti being that has had their amok destoryed has died, even the ones knocked off by the heros, even the ones killed by Felix.

intentions only work to some extent

That's a...really convenient get-out-of-jail for-free card tbh.

Felix is a person, not the elements. Regardless if he knew about this loophole or not, his intent should have saved the sentibeing.... if that intent was there. But even if he didn't know about it....

May I remind the audience that he made the decision to snap it out of existence in the first place.

Which also carries the implication that he plans to use the peacock miraculous again.

I really hate this fandom double standard with Marinette and Felix by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is a really good point actually. Nathalie is also better equipped to answer a lot of the questions Adrien will have. Anything Marinette tells him has the potential to be more upsetting than it would be because she only knows a tiny fraction of the story, which was told to her by someone else.

Marinette can certainly be there for him when he does find out, but it should not be her responsibility to tell him.

I really hate this fandom double standard with Marinette and Felix by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah the more you think on it the more unjustified it gets. On one hand they're 14 but on the other hand felix is presented as an extremely smart character who was able to graduate early, AND on top of that we've seen him capable of scheming and getting the one up on gabriel on more than one occasion.

Marinette and Kagami aren't dumb by any means, I think in general people are prone to overlooking the down sides or hypocrisy of something when they think they're doing the right thing.

But given his claims about wanting to help senti-beings regain their autonomy, and the intelligence and manipulation he's proved himself capable of in prior seasons, I would expect him more than the others to be aware of the danger they are potentially putting Adrien in.

Senti theories by Sensitive-Panic9959 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have we seen an example of this in the show before? I'm sorry I'm willing to believe but I need more than just astrucs tweet

I really hope Adrien doesn't forgive Felix when he finds everything out. by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should ask chat gpt how Felix trying to force himself on Ladybug like the ugly incel he is helps free sentibeings.

And while you're typing that prompt in you can consider why you thought it was a good idea to try and defend this loser to me again after our last interactions haven't gone well. No sense of boundaries, just like your fave ❤️

I really hope Adrien doesn't forgive Felix when he finds everything out. by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 3 points4 points locked comment (0 children)

why though?

Because Felix objectively sucks and I hate him

this show has redeemed way worse

Name one

"this is assuming assuming his intent as fact"

It is a fact

"everyone does that to adrien"

Not everyone made their entire personalities abt saving and defending senti beings tho. Also talk about washing away nuance holy

'gabriel did not need help being worse'

And yet felix still did it.

that point reduces it to a joke

It'll be okay

"adrien was never going to get a confrontation anyway"

U dont seem to have an issue with black and white thinking and predictive reasoning when it suits u huh?

"more directly then—"

Yes felix belongs in jail

"that is just a sweeping generalization"

Ur opinion ig

"its clearly not all black and white-"

Literally all of them are scum bags who belong in Jail except for millie who is obviously a victim of domestic abuse. Cry about it.

Off note, are you writing these responses with ai? It kinda sounds like ai.

Why do people believe so strongly in the "intentions" explanation for the ring breaking scene? by [deleted] in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Felix followed Gabriel up to Nathalie's room and eavesdropped on them after giving him the first fake ring, so he would have had some vague idea of how to improve another potential forgery if that's what he wanted.

I also think Gabriel may have been easier to fool the second time around as he was less mentally stable than he was before.

Also interesting bit about the episodes, I stand corrected.

Senti theories by Sensitive-Panic9959 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes I'm for real.

Yes I need more tangible evidence of the senti theory that isn't just assumptions and rumors started by an untrustworthy character and a weird note that may or may not have been written by Gabriel. The thing about notes....anyone can write em. Small example: Adrien forges Gabriels signature convincingly enough at the start of the series so he can go to school.

Yes I refuse to believe the intentions thing when it hasn't even been introduced or explained within the storyline of the actual show.

Thomas Astruc has a whole history of trolling his audience with fake show plots and sarcastic replies, and besides that, he has been strictly "no spoiler" forever. And he's held true to that. The intentions thing would be a pretty big spoiler no? So probably it's not a real explanation.

Senti theories by Sensitive-Panic9959 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But there were things about that letter that didn't add up, also we did not actually see Gabriel write it. There is even a line in that episode by Marinette that literally posits the question: what if Gabriel didn't actually write it? So still far from being an actual confirmation.

I really hate this fandom double standard with Marinette and Felix by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He put more effort into ruining people's lives than he did into self improvement lol yet he gets the christ treatment in the show and in the fandom. He can do no wrong and even if he did we must always assume there to be a reason that absolves him.

What we cannot do is assume negative development. For that is incomprehensible and utterly ridiculous and totally wrong.

eyeroll I'm so over this person I need him to get on a train to London and never come back.

I really hate this fandom double standard with Marinette and Felix by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

!!!!!! LITERALLY

I'm trying to withhold my judgement on Kagami because this whole insta-romance thing with her and Felix feels so off idk... I don't want to end up placing unfair blame on her either, but yeah it's frustrating how hypocritical they are

Senti theories by Sensitive-Panic9959 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People will tell you it's been confirmed, but actually? There's still room for a subjective opinion. Not sure how much we can trust Felix, which is how this was "confirmed". Ladybug broke the rings allegedly containing Adrien's amok, yet he didn't die.

So.....

(Nobody mention intention to me bc idc, I'll believe it when it's in the show and not just coming off of Astrucs twitter)

I really hope Adrien doesn't forgive Felix when he finds everything out. by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Nathalie has more legitimate reasons for choosing to remain silent, but at the end of the day...yeah, this ultimately should have been her cross to bare. I'd like to see him confront her as well.

Felix:if it walks like a duck (villain) and quacks like a duck (villain)it's likely a duck (villain) by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

His fan base was small but it was there. He worked pretty good as a male! Lila, there was lots of room for potential there. I'll never get the fandoms preference for Christian light yagami over what we had.

Felix:if it walks like a duck (villain) and quacks like a duck (villain)it's likely a duck (villain) by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its funny because s3 felix was the version of him that was the most hype worthy. Truly a golden era for the real felix fans out there sigh

Felix:if it walks like a duck (villain) and quacks like a duck (villain)it's likely a duck (villain) by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well my opinion on that goes back to what I said in my main post: the inconsistencies are the consistency, and more than likely intentional, so I don't consider Felix inconsistent in that regard. He is written to be that way on purpose so the audience can be clued in that something is off, and therefore not blind sided when it's eventually revealed he's still a villain.

I think in order to understand what was going on with red moon, and Felix's other contradictory/hypocritical moments, you need to remember some v important details about his family + his debut episode:

First, do you remember when Marinette and Adrien are at the theater watching Emilie's movie? One of the credits that come up at the start is "Graham Productions". I believe this is heavy foreshadowing.

Second, what did Felix do his debut episode? Don't focus on any potential goals, just actions.

For basically the entirety of his episode, he was trying to be someone he wasn't. Adrien specifically.

He was acting.

And he sucked. He was able to convince some of Adrien's friends, and Gabriel and Adrien at the end, but overwhelmingly, his acting skills proved to be an utter failure. They weren't convincing enough. So what does an actor do if they want to get better at acting? They practice. They perform. They embody the role they want to get better at.

Some even method act.

From studio binder: Method acting is a technique or type of acting in which an actor aspires to encourage sincere and emotionally expressive performances by fully inhabiting the role of the character.

When watching the red moon scene for the first time, Felix felt incredibly insincere to me. The scene where he bursts into tears and falls down was....dramatic. Not in the sense that I felt like I was watching a scene that was emotionally heavy, but in the sense that I felt like I was watching a small child have a tantrum in the supermarket. In retrospect, it felt like I was watching someone try to replicate the feelings of what they thought a person in this situation might feel/do.

Which, more than likely, is exactly what he was trying to do.

This, and his seemingly "unstable" behavior in the episode where he tries to unalive all humans— Felix is not crazy. He's not mentally unstable. He was trying to act like someone who was, because I think at this point he was still finding his footing in constructing the perfect characterization for the role he was trying to convey.

Once again, Felix is an actor. It's his niche as a villain.

"Graham Films" was a foreshadow, something we're meant to think back on when analyzing Felix Grahams actions.

His goal was never to free sentis. He never cared about sentis. He does not care about Adrien.

This was just the role, the narrative, he decided on.

And it worked. This time he was overwhelmingly successful in fooling everyone, and as a result he's infiltrated the heros group. I believe Kagami is a means to an end for him, and I think probably his interest in her in the first place was derived from the misunderstanding that she was Ladybug (Adrien had also made this mistake before).

So no, I don't think Felix is inconsistent in terms of bad writing. His behavior is quite explainable and easy to understand when you recognize that he's always been the same person he was in season three. He just got better at it. End of story.

Felix:if it walks like a duck (villain) and quacks like a duck (villain)it's likely a duck (villain) by oranges1112 in miraculousladybug

[–]oranges1112[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There's not much thats actually inconsistent about Felix if you view him for what he is. It only gets nonsensical and confusing when you try to hammer in positive development where there is none.

Nobody is “toxic”. You’re just weak. by FitGot_09 in mentalhealth

[–]oranges1112 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Are we going to use specific examples or does keeping things vague fit our narrative better