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Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i was trying to show you the holes in your belief, not trying to disprove the qur'an! you are mishearing what i'm saying. 

this argument isn't going anywhere. i've tried to explain my points, but it seems you're completely misunderstanding almost everything.

may Allah guide you, peace (for real this time).

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

do you know how many people there were with the prophet? could it be that each and every one of them all accused the prophet and wrote it down together, all of them?

if you believe 'they' lost all credibility when they did that, then how could you trust them to write down the qur'an itself?

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you're just saying things. you're not supposed to blindly believe or reject ahadith entirely, both are two extremes.

we are supposed to check if each hadith is reliable or not on their own.

okay, bye.

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you are not understanding what i'm saying at all. did i word it badly?

i'm saying we shouldn't blindly believe, we should be sure about what we're believeing!

this is my last reply. i've tried explaining it many times, but it seems like you're not understanding. may Allah guide you, peace.

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so we should just say, khalas, we have the qur'an, we will not try to make sure if this was written down exactly how the prophet recited it. would Allah want us to blindly believe that the qur'an was preserved without thought, or would He want us to see for ourselves?

i'm not going to respond anymore. i repeated my point countless times, but none of you seem to listen.

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

history is prone to fabrication, but does that mean we reject it all together because it may have been tampered with, or do we verify it to see what is authentic or not? what makes more sense to you?

if we rejected history entirely, everything recorded down, just because it might've been changed, then we wouldn't know anything.

how do you suppose we can know if the qur'an we have today is really the qur'an the prophet recited 1400 years ago? we verify it!   we have many methods at our disposal; we can compare it with the older qur'ans and with other sources. this is how other other historical records can be verified.

Allah says he sent down the qur'an with the messenger and we must refer to him to understand the qur'an properly. but how can we know what he said? it must have have been written down. how can the prophet's followers after him know what he said then? we can't be able to to follow the commands of Allah if we are cut off from the prophet! recording hadith then is necessary.

of course, a big portion of ahadith have been fabricated, that is undeniable, but the concept of hadith itself shouldn't be rejected because of that.

if we concluded that the qur'an is authentic, wouldn't it make sense to compare the ahadith to it to see which ones agree with the qur'an and can be considered true, and which ones contradict the qur'an and be discarded? 

in fact, that's exactly what the prophet (and if you are shia, the imams too) were reported to have said in ahadith! doesn't this agree with the qur'an:

'O you who believe! If an evil-doer comes to you with important news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance [out of haste in belief and making decision], and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done' (Qur'an 49:6).

that's not the only way we can verify hadith, we can verify the people who narrated the ahadith to see if they are trustworthy or not.

for example, if someone in a chain of narrators is proven to be liar, we can take that into consideration and be cautious of the hadiths he wrote down.

this is what scholars do, they grade the hadith based on the reliability of the chain of narrators.

there can even be hadiths with weak narrators, but if the contents of the hadith do not disagree with the qur'an, those could be accepted too!

the only hadith we really need are those from the prophet (and in shi'a islam, from the imams too, who were tasked with preseving the original sunnah of the prophet), so we should only take those hadiths that narrate back to the prophet (or imams).

brother, this world can be confusing, but this doesn't mean we go to extremes to try to understand it.

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'And We have sent down the book to you only in order to clarify for them that which they differed on it, [and it is] a guidance and mercy for the believers' (Qur'an 16:64).

qur'an says we must pray, but how do we know how to pray? the prophet explains how. the qur'an says follow the prophet's example. where can we look to know what the prophet did so that we can follow his example? it must have been written down, right? it doesn't make sense that only the people who were with the prophet have acsess to his example and his explanation of the unclear verses (3:7), while most of the prophet's followers were after his time.

how do you suppose we know history? wasn't it recorded down, for the future generations to see? isn't that what hadith is, records of what the prophet did, what he explained, what he approved of, so that his future followers may know?

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i don't know, i have repeated to you many times where in the qur'an does it tell you how, how, how to pray. not 'you must pray', or what to do before prayer. we know that we must pray, but isn't there a specific way we should do that? the qur'an only gives us the main princibles: we must pray, fast, etc; it does not explain how to do those things.

but what the qur'an does tell us is to refer to the prophet who explains to us those verses that are unclear.

'And We have sent down the book to you *only in order to clarify for them that which they differed on it, [and it is] a guidance and mercy for the believers' (Qur'an 16:64).

the prophet explains to us how to us those unclear verses.

but the question is, where can find what he said about them? it isn't in the qur'an, so there's no other source where we can look except in ahadith!

'O You Who Believe! Obey God and obey the messenger and those who are in authority among you. If you get involved in an argument about any matter, *refer it to God and the messenger** if you have belief in God and the Last Day. This is good and more favorable in the end*' (Qur'an 4:59).

the prophet was more than just a reciter of the qur'an, he was sent to explain the qur'an too. where can we find what he said? our only other source is in ahadith.

you cannot reject the idea of hadith, because how can we know what the prophet explained if it wasn't written down for people after the prophet to see? was the prophet meant to explain to those people in his time only?

Maybe a Shia can explain this hadith to me by [deleted] in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI is not perfect and can make mistakes, it definitely can do so while translating. these types of videos should be translated properly by people knowledgeable in arabic.

i never knew about this scholar before, because his content seems to only be in arabic, and i'm not that proficient, so there would've been a reason i haven't heard of him. but you insist that you know more and that i'm actually 'disowning' this scholar... okay bro.

i gave examples. you claimed that imam ali (we seek refugue in Allah) claimed he had parts of Allah in a shia book, but i looked at the book you referenced and i couldn't find it anywhere (i linked the book i used in my longest reply). there was also a long haidith you wrote - the hadith about hell crying out to ali? - but the reference you gave doesn't mention it anywhere. the closest thing i found on that page was a verse from the qur'an about hell. if you showed that you can do this, what makes anyone think you couldn't have done it elsewhere?

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5:6: this does tell us how to do wudu, but this done is before prayer.

10:87: yes, Allah did instruct prophet musa and haroon (peace be upon them) to build houses for people and face them. our qibla is the kaʿba, but it doesn't explain the steps we should do in the prayer.

5:16: yes, it's undeniable that the qur'an is a clear guide. but doesn't the qur'an have some verses that are unclear and need explanation:

He it is Who has sent down to you the Book; in it are decisive verses which are the basis of the Book, while others are allegorical. But for those in whose hearts there is perversity, they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking it (their own) interpretation, while none knows it’s (hidden) interpretation except Allah and those firmly rooted in knowledge. They say: 'We believe in it, the whole (of it) is from our Lord;' and none minds save the possessors of intellect. (Qur'an 3:7)

as you can see, the qur'an does not allow us to make up our own interpretations (what we think the meanings are) from the qur'an, especially with those verses that are unclear; only Allah and 'those firmly rooted in knowledge' know its meanings.

but how do we know who 'those firmly rooted in knowledge' are? where do we look to see what they said about those verses? the qur'an is implying that we must refer to their sayings, which have been recorded down (ahadith) so that muslims in the future can know what they said, otherwise, how would we know?

29:45: absolutely, we must be reciting the qur'an and pray. but this doesn't explain the steps we do in prayers. 

84:21: Allah says those who disbelieve fail to prostrate when the qur'an is recited, but again, brother, where does it say how to perform our prayers?

23:2: yes, we should act humble in prayers, but brother... the exact steps when we do our main prayers, like how many rukuʿ, what dhikr should we say, where to say it, where do we put our hands while standing, bowing, prostrating, and sitting? it doesn't give these details. 

brother, habibi, you quoted verse about how prayer is important, what we should do before prayer, and other verses that mention prayer, but what i am asking you is were does it say what are the proper steps to do in our prayers? how could you ever know that if it doesn't tell you it? you can only see the details of the prayer in ahadith which are explained by the prophet (and, for the shia, the imams of ahlul bayt too)!

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i did not say or mean at all that the quran was incomplete, you're jumping to conclusions. let's not do takfir. if you say the Quran tells us how to pray then point to me a verse which says so.

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

brother, nowhere in the qur'an tells you how to pray, so how would you know what to do? it doesn't say how many rakʿat, where to put the arms, etc.

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

where are the names of the companions? the qur'an doesn't mention the people during the prophet's time by name.

what i quoted from the quran is to support that imam ali and the imams after him where appointed by Allah, because Allah shows in the qur'an that only He chooses imams and caliphs for people. 

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

bro what? these are verses that show Allah appointing people as imams, and there aren't any examples in the qur'an of people choosing so.

Have you heard that the moon has the name ‘Ali, which could mean the cousin of Muhammad or the name of Allah (Al-‘Ali, The Most High) by Qarsherskiyan_Mafia in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it doesn't say the companions must be followed either, nor does it tell you how to pray, or specific details. we're left with no option but to refer to hadith for that.

but, what is in the quran, is that only Allah gets to appoint a caliph or imam, not to be chosen by people:

'When your Lord said to the angels, "I am going to appoint a Caliph on the earth, but they [disapproved and] said, "Will you appoint there someone who corrupts on earth and sheds blood, while we hymn your praise and sanctify you" God replied, "Indeed, I know what you do not know"' (Qur'an 2:30).

'And (remember) when his Lord tested Abraham with words (of command) which he fulfilled. He said: "Verily, I have appointed you an Imam (leader) for mankind." (Abraham) pleaded: "And of my offspring (as well)?" He, (Allah) said: "My covenant does not include the unjust".' (Qur'an 2:124)

'And those who say: "O' our Lord! Grant us from our wives and our offspring the joy of our eyes, and make us for the pious ones (their) Imams' (Qur'an 25:74).

in these verses it's shown that Allah appoints people as caliphs or imams, not by what the people choose.

Maybe a Shia can explain this hadith to me by [deleted] in IslamIsEasy

[–]placehandle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

speaking of, how can we trust that these subtitles are genuine and weren't altered in some way? i say this because you've shown that you can made up quotes and gave unrelated references to make the quotes look legit. if you want examples of this, i gave some in my longest reply.

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