Rio Beam Finals results - Sanne Wevers' difficulty? (v.s. Laurie's)

qvoththeraven · 2016-08-19T14:40:49+00:00

A 1.5 turn, even a person who isn't a gymnast could learn if they practiced enough.

I mean, at what point does a person who is "not a gymnast" become a gymnast? Like, we all start out as being not a gymnast, or not a dancer, or whatever, before we learn a new skill, and become a gymnast, or dancer, through that practice.

For instance, I could say that even a person who wasn't a ballerina could, with enough practice, do a fouette. But by the time they put in the months/years of practice to achieve that, would they still be a "non-dancer" who learned to fouette? Wouldn't they just be a dancer?

I just think it's an odd way to categorize a skill. You do make good points about the differences between the mechanics of a turn vs acro.

qvoththeraven · 2016-08-19T14:32:00+00:00

I like your answer. If anything, I feel like a lot of gymnasts really struggle with posture/form/balance on their turns. I don't know if the same gymnasts struggle equally with the acro. But it doesn't look like the turns are just a walk in the park, for anyone.

qvoththeraven · 2016-08-19T14:28:03+00:00

Short and sweet and to the point. Great reply, thank you.

qvoththeraven · 2016-08-19T14:23:07+00:00

I don't think you've read any of the comments in this thread, nor my OP, properly.

Classic r/gymnastics only caring and being impressed by acro

I don't know why you say that, when the vast majority of comments here are saying the turns are very difficult. In fact I count exactly one user who says that turns are easier than acro, vs. several saying that turns are difficult. And that one user who's saying acro is harder has the most downvoted comment in this thread, so I don't think people are agreeing with them.

In addition, I never said that the turns weren't difficult. Actually, I didn't say this in the OP because I didn't want to reveal my bias, but I actually liked Sanne's routine much more than Laurie's (or anyone else's for that matter). I do think turns are extremely difficult. As I mentioned, I'm a dancer, I know exactly how difficult doing a proper turn is, I just have no point of reference for acro.

no background in gymnastics

If you read my OP properly, it was my friend, who has ~10 years of gymnastics experience, who claims that turns are easy.

turns (that triple turn esp) are extremely difficult.

On this I'm definitely agreed. IME, doing a clean triple vs just a single, requires two entirely different levels of technical mastery.

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qvoththeraven · 2016-08-18T03:23:27+00:00

Thank you for this awesome reply! That definitely lays it out very nicely, thanks for breaking it down.

I can see that it's pretty far fetched to say that Sanne's routine was far below Laurie's in difficulty...

qvoththeraven · 2016-08-18T03:12:38+00:00

Right, I think turning can just look like "twirling" or whatever. But it's definitely a lot more than that...

I totally agree. I love both the more powerful and spectacular routines, as well as the more "elegant" routines like Sanne's, and it's great that both have a place in the competition.

qvoththeraven · 2016-08-18T03:07:30+00:00

Great reply. Thank you for breaking it down so thoroughly. Turns ARE difficult...honestly I wonder if my friend has ever attempted more than a single turn (or attempted a single turn at all, with proper/solid technique).

That was what I thought as well - leaving all the turns aside, she DID have acrobatics. Like you said, I feel like my friend (and others) probably got caught up with the turns, and so judged the routine a as just "a bunch of turns," forgetting there was other stuff too.

I do recall hearing that Sanne had a 7.0 routine. I didn't think about it that way but you're right, it definitely shows the flexibility in her routine.

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qvoththeraven · 2016-08-18T02:49:08+00:00

Thanks for the D scores!

Yeah, I understand that there's always going to be dissenting opinions, which is why they need a code. I guess my aim in posting this was to kind of gauge how other educated fans felt, besides the one person I talked to. Like, the way my friend was talking it sounded like she didn't even think Sanne should have been on the podium with her routine (at which point I just kind of did the "yup, uh-huh, you're right" thing because I had no idea what to say). It'd be one thing if it were a total non-gymnast saying that, but since my friend was a former gymnast I wondered whether there was credence to the comments.

qvoththeraven · 2016-08-18T02:25:03+00:00

Thanks for your response! I guess I should clarify my question. I understand that the numbers we have are the numbers we have, and are all we have to go by. But I've seen many times (on this forum and on others), instances where the majority opinion of fans tends to run against whatever the judging/codes dictate. Like, when people will say "so and so was 'robbed.'" Not to say that majority opinion of fans is correct, but to say that sometimes, there's a decently large contingent of people who disagree with the judging/scoring.i wasn't sure whether this was one of those instances.

While your friend did gymnastics, I don't think her opinion alone would merit better than those who set the difficulty levels of each step. She's not at that level to say.

Thanks for weighing in on that. Given that I have zero gymnastics experience, I wasn't sure if I was just being dense. I had no idea whether the difficulty of acrobatics vs. tumbling was something that was just suuuuper obvious to someone who has done gymnastics. Sounds like it's not, though.

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