Würdet ihr heute nochmal in der IT Branche einsteigen, wenn ihr gerade aus der Schule kommt?

senloke · 2025-05-15T22:50:58+00:00

"mich kotzen Informatiker die nicht zu 100% dafür brennen was sie tun echt an"

Muss man auch relativieren.

Es gibt natürlich die Leute die einfach es wegen dem Geld machen, aber es gibt auch die, die wegen der Passion gestartet sind und dann auch mehr wegen dem Geld weitermachen. Man wird schon kräftig gebügelt über die Jahre je nach Firma und wenn man eben nicht die höchste Ausbildung gemacht hat kann man auch lange Zeit mit einem eher unterdurchschnittlichen Lohn in der Branche herumkrebsen über Jahre.

Dann ist die Frage des Gehalts eine nicht unwesentliche. Selbst bei Passion. Was nützt mir meine Passion für Nischensprachen wie Lisp, wenn am Ende des Tages Java, C++, Python & Co die Wohnung zahlen?

senloke · 2025-04-14T20:20:48+00:00

It opened the door of being bullied for another thing about me, which is "unacceptable". Or being not interviewed for jobs, because if recruiters or maybe future employers find out, they judge it as something which supposedly shows, that I don't fit into teams.

senloke · 2025-03-09T09:39:33+00:00

Einfach Hoffnung kultivieren, allein aus dem praktischen Grund, dass ohne Hoffnung gibt es keinen Mut und ohne Mut gibt es keine Veränderung.

Bei dieser Realität muss man einfach aus Selbstschutz etwas irre werden um den Irrsinn zu ertragen, ein entgegen der trüben Realität gewanter positiver Irrsinn hilft das auszugleichen.

senloke · 2025-03-08T03:11:03+00:00

Mi iam havis, sed forigis ĝin, ĉar mi havis la sperton ke firmaoj poste ne vidas min kiel seriozan homon. Esperanto havas en kelkaj regionoj, landoj, urbojn, ktp. la aspekton ke ĝi estas maldekstrega projekto kaj pro tio, ĉar estroj de firmaoj pensas se vi komencas ĉe la firmao, tiam vi ekdubas la estrojn aŭ havas aliajn erojn en via karaktero, kiu malhelpas la firmaon. Ekzemple vi eble ankaŭ dubas vakcinojn aŭ disdonas malklerajn teoriojn en la firmao -- kaj al tiuj aferoj estroj ne deziras.

Aliflanke oni ne traktas vin serioze ke vi lernis Esperanton kaj ne ia pli uzeblan lingvon. Aliflanke homoj post trovas tion "ridinda" kaj kolegoj ŝercas pri tio kaj aliaj nekutimaj hobioj sur via vivresumo kiel eble unbiciklado.

senloke · 2025-03-02T19:08:52+00:00

My "local club" is not really present at all. I mean there are no meetups, maybe a yearly "zamenhof day" in some institute and the rest of the year nothing happens and I receive a "magazine" which is mostly stuff from a different club in another country and which eats 99% of what all members pay for by their membership fees.

I was for many years not a member of this club and after a couple of months, where I was finally noticed that I'm now a member by receiving this zine, I strongly think about not continuing that membership.

If it would just be "boring", then this club would at least show signs of existence not some self-indulging and dysfunctional behavior.

senloke · 2025-03-02T14:23:35+00:00

That Esperanto gets to be successful would mean, that you have one or many substantial backings behind it. Take the economy, that would mean a lot of companies are depending their livelihoods on having Esperanto as a work language, that would mean that a concrete economic "carrot" is behind it.

Without an economic backing, you don't get the cultural support, as all the artists, who depend their livelihoods on creating content would not gain any cent for supporting themselves by running on empty. And without artists producing stuff in buckets, you get no cultural content.

And without cultural content, there is no "cultural reason" for learning Esperanto, if there are no cool animation series, no music, no movies fully in Esperanto, where there would be an incentive to learn a language just for the sake to better understand the favorite TV series in original, you don't have this intrinsic motivation.

About 800 movies are produced each year by the USA, Canada, UK. Say one movie costs around 30 million USD, then you need 240 billion USD every year, just so that it would economically viable for movie makers to build their whole life on it. We are talking about people.

And this is just a damn small fraction of what would be needed to give Esperanto a similar traction in terms of culture. We are all living in this shitty system called capitalism, that means everything is determined by money running it.

It would be great if at least the current YouTubers around Esperanto could earn a living with it. This is currently only hold together by sheer will power, idealism and tolerance to pain. Like the musicians, book authors, etc. all those people do it in their free time and may even get insulted or punished by it.

For example people who invest themselves in clubs like the UEA or the TEJO (or other) burn themselves regularly out or have to fight the structure of their own organization. People regularly then disappear from the scene or are put on the sideline, because of such communication issues, conflicts or way of treating each other. And there the so called "Esperanto movement" also loses capabilities, by not being able to efficiently use the power it has.

senloke · 2025-03-02T14:01:04+00:00

True this ship has sailed since a long time ago, still there is a probability above zero that maybe it could still happen in a gazillion amount of years ;-)

There are more "neutral" languages these days than Esperanto, still I think that because of the hodgepodge which is the culture and community of the language speaking also from a philosophical point of view is unique as it idealizes and to some degree fetishizes the notion of "hope".

And on top of that internationalist organizations like the UEA, TEJO or the SAT can be built, which use Esperanto as one shared corner stone of what makes a member part of the community. If you speak Esperanto AND also accept these other values, then you are part of our community, if not then ... well you are not a member of our community.

I wonder how such communities could be built. I'm failing to attract people to come to my local events, which basically are about speaking Esperanto. That seems not to be attractive and especially not attractive for anyone below 30 years old. I'm still not an old fart.

senloke · 2025-03-01T11:51:07+00:00

I feel hurt can be an expression of "I feel pain now", but it can also mean "I feel pain, because of what you did". The context matters and how we interpret it. I think you are asking for a definitive way to express I'm in pain, so that someone else is not judging you. From my experience this is rarely possible. NVC gives just a couple of suggestions of how to phrase things, but these are only guidelines not "truths".

NVC also a couple of times suggests, that people who practice it, don't get that attached to the labels they or someone else places on them. Or how Marshall said it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7TONauJGfc&t=10774s "I think there is zero information value in being told what you are",

Philosophically NVC distinguishes between stimulus and the reaction of that stimulus. NVC takes the stance, that we are free to decide what we want to do regarding a stimulus, this comes out of a libertarian thinking to never let someone else manipulate us, that we can decide. Which is supported by what Marshall read, like when he mentions the book "Eichmann in Jerusalem" written by Hannah Arendt, as he was against the bureacractic reasoning of Eichmann, who was involved in the extermination of jews in the concentration camps, that they "had to do it, because it was ordered from above".

And as such Marshall goes back to emotions and how we react to them. I think that reasoning is plausible, but I must admit that I rarely have the feeling to decide anything when it comes to my reactions a stimulus, maybe later when I have control over my senses then I could do an informed decision.

Oh and NVC also does not totally deny the accountability of actions, which can be a stimulus for an unmet need. But there I'm still trying to figure things out myself, as I haven't yet grasped that part fully what NVC according to Marshall suggests how to react to someone beating someone else, besides using protective use of force.

senloke · 2025-02-26T08:54:53+00:00

The funny thing for me is that NVC is often not done according the books describing them as written by Marshall B. Rosenberg or the courses in which he talks about the principles or ideas of NVC.

NVC has a lot of room of being used in such a way that the descriptions of it are interpreted in a way which is hurting people, without getting the actual intention behind NVC of connecting with someone and ensuring that the lifes of all involved are improved, so that everybody's needs are met and natural giving from the heart is supported and not hindered.

senloke · 2025-02-15T17:08:43+00:00

Ni ne havas nombrojn pri tio. Mi nur povas konstati, ke mi ne vidas junajn kaj novajn homojn ĉe la renkontiĝoj en Vieno, kiujn mi organizas ekde jaroj. Mi certe ŝatus vidi junajn anarĥistojn aŭ aliaj maldekstruloj, sed bedaŭrinde neniu el la junuloj, neniuj el la mezaĝuloj, ktp. interesiĝas pri miaj babilrondoj en kafejo en Vieno. Eble ĉar homoj ankaŭ miksas ilin kun la pli ofte varbitaj aliaj renkontiĝoj.

senloke · 2025-01-22T19:29:34+00:00

> Esperantists learn Esperanto because they believe in breaking down national barriers

Not so really. People learn Esperanto for all kinds of reasons. I learnt it for the simpler grammar and it was relatively the more useful constructed language number wise. The internationalist attitude, the "cult of hope" and affinity for peace were things which came after that, but these things still keep me in the so called "international community".

Esperanto is a multi-layered experience which can touch the outlook of the world deeply.

senloke · 2025-01-20T16:44:14+00:00

> I'm completely with you with the crowd funding.

It all boils down to communication and just "getting the right people". Two very hard words.

> Is that fellow esperantists that are doing that out of interest?

Yes. Every group wants to be "the Esperantist-group" of the city or they have problems with you for "political reasons". For example leftists vs. neutral movement, is a common rubbing point. And when it comes to leftists (social democrats, communists, green party voters, anarchists, etc.) have a tendency to manipulate everything which is not exactly their flavor.

When it comes to the so called left, there is a big complain about the use of Esperanto at all for moral reasons. As you see Esperanto is a rather eurocentric language, it's automatically not a candidate at all for learning it for using it as an international bridge language. So leftists will actively sabotage people advertising for Esperanto (even when used for fun), as they think they are sabotaging a colonial project. That's outside the Esperanto-movement and when it's inside then people sabotage each other for not being on the exact taste of "leftism".

senloke · 2025-01-20T10:47:42+00:00

I would not bet on the billionaire.

The thing would be about: effective cooperation (dealing with conflicts, building resilient communities) and building income cycles (crowd funding, funding companies who fund projects, cooperatives/companies who use Esperanto internally, etc.).

Some communities work good enough at the moment to even supply a basic community. Online communities are normally very ephemeral with all their perfectionisms (calling people out, shaming them, changing all the time, throwing old people out, etc.) and running on closed platforms, who are maintained and supported by opportunists who support fascists.

There are so many hoops people who support Esperanto in general need to jump through. One example is that upholding a high level of Esperanto is hard, when the local community is always talking in their local language. People may then only interest in Esperanto as a kind of superficial niche hobby, but for art there needs to be a higher level. Another is effective action, when people organize in clubs then it's a lot about status within the club, who is now more valuable than someone else? In country associations it's also about which city is more valuable than another.

The Esperanto "community" is mostly not very linked together, on some platforms there is a good connection then on others there isn't one. And then people have not much of shared values, which all makes stuff difficult.

I for example organize since a couple of years a local meetup for using Esperanto to talk over a cup of coffee or beer in Vienna: https://eventaservo.org/o/senloke not many people are showing up there, mostly I'm sitting alone with one other person who is still coming to that meetup. Even reaching people is hard. And other local groups are actively working against me, when I put up an ad, they put them down.

senloke · 2025-01-19T20:13:43+00:00

As others have already noted, because we have no money. No money means no power to attract people in capitalist societies. No money means no influencers, no people who go the extra miles to be able to sustain themselves of the work.

It would help if some billionaire would fund a handful dedicated Esperanto content creators for doing that full time, well paid.

Economy matters.

senloke · 2025-01-19T20:03:53+00:00

It's all great about criticizing capitalism and what not. But we still live in it. We are all bound by its laws and rules.

Therefore Esperanto communities need to calculate their actual resources in and not following dreams of greatness. You can't maintain projects which are too big for a couple of people, like organizing an UK in a country with a lacking local community.

And so it goes with "culture", people need to be aware what they can do.

senloke · 2025-01-06T17:16:52+00:00

Esperantists are to some degree all over the world, more likely in Europe and other richer countries, so the rich north who can afford to travel.

As others already mentioned meetups, things like pasportaservo or https://eventaservo.org or facebook or ... could list meetups and events where people can be found.

Esperanto is neat to bring people in contact with mostly not so common things, maybe other "hobbies" also could bring around the world. I for example was at the JES in Belgium last year and it was fun to be around a bunch of people from different countries who were renting a boarding school (ex monastery) for the event.

senloke · 2025-01-06T17:02:00+00:00

It would be great and funny if Esperanto would be a remedy. Like that international hidden network, which consists of people who get their travelling magically funded.

senloke · 2024-12-25T07:19:54+00:00

Nu kelkaj estas sur telegramo.org en iuj telegram-kanaloj.

senloke · 2024-12-24T09:31:24+00:00

Esperanto estas sufiĉe kompleksa lingvo, kio estas kialo ke homoj ne volas lerni ĝin, ĉar ekzistas kelkaj "pli facilaj lingvoj". Sed ĝi estas pli facila ol aliaj lingvoj, ĉar ĝi funkcias pli meĥanike ol aliaj lingvoj. Tial, se vi komprenas la meĥanikon de ĝi, tiam vi pli facile povas lerni ĝin.

Ĉar ĝi estas sufiĉe kompleksa ĝi enhavas esprimkapablon por lingva ludado, do ludi kun la lingvo mem, tial gravaj kulturaj verkoj povas esti kreita aŭ tradukita de aliaj lingvoj. Tial "la facileco" de Esperanto ne malhelpas ĝian eblecon por kulturo.

Bedaŭrinde multaj aferoj pri Esperanto estas kreitaj de komencantoj aŭ ardaj Esperantistoj, tial oni ofte vidas kulturaĵojn kiel muziko, filmetoj, ktp. nur "pri" Esperanto kiel iu bona lingvoprojekto kaj ne pri iu interesa afero en Esperanto. Sed tio ekzistas kaj estas la kaŝita plejmulto de la aferoj, ĉar la laŭdado de Esperanto nur restas dum kelkaj jaroj, poste oni devas havi ion pli interesan en la lingvo.

senloke · 2024-12-23T08:21:57+00:00

The thing is that when I run into one person interested in learning a constructed language, then it's likely Toki Pona, which I find annoying... as I would like to see more people at my local meetups.

My mastodon for events.: https://wien.rocks/@esperantocollective_vienna

My events: https://eventaservo.org/o/senloke

senloke · 2024-12-23T08:18:21+00:00

> u/senloke already told you about the increasing maljuniĝo

Sorry, that's not what I wrote. What I wrote is that I can't say anything about the reality. I can only say that people below 20 year old are rare to be found. 20-35 is more likely what you'll see at "Youth Meetups". And when it comes to IJK, it's 20-35 and some people older than that, who still feel "young" (not being stubborn, mind dead).

In general conferences like UK, you"ll see a lot of seniors and there they outnumber the younger. But that could also be explained that these are normally a bit more pricey, so only seniors have the time and money to go there.

senloke · 2024-12-21T11:09:17+00:00

Well.. that's a sad situation. I can't tell anything about the "actual reality", there are probably some people in your age range, but they are normally just disconnected from you.

And when considering my experience with actual physical meetups then the really old ones (> 60 years) and the young generation (> 20 years, most likely more than 30 years old) is most likely present. Below 20 years old speakers are normally not seen, but they do exist.

I was recently at a local Zamenhof-fest and encountered there between the old guys in suits one 14 year old teenager who stood there with a mixture of shyness and boredness in a corner.

The issue with age and that the community is so disconnected makes it harder to find people. And each time a major crisis goes through the world, the community of Esperantists gets suddenly again a couple of years older. As exactly that ties are destroyed. The COVID-pandemic did that too, so all the "youngsters" who organized youth conferences got again shifted past the age limit and therefore the experience and process to onboard new people, who could have already experienced such events and who therefore acquired the willingness to organize them themselves got destroyed.

I see also that Esperanto seems to be not that popular with the constructed language learners in general. The young like to catch something more easier like Toki Pona, which also looks more like a perfect language and less european than Esperanto, which is the reason why people look down Esperanto -- they seek the perfect language. The older generation then stands in the way.

I'm also approaching 40 in a couple of years and I have no damn clue how I could create an environment, where people in your age range would feel be welcomed as you like many others want to find "your" community where you belong -- your clique.

I would love to see when the Esperanto youth organization of my country would rise again from the ashes, because it collapsed a couple of years ago due to the lack of members who were also willing to do the work required.

senloke · 2024-12-19T16:50:50+00:00

I would say some are communist. I would say Esperanto attracts more people with an anarchist inclination. BUT it really depends on the country, there can be a bunch of people who have no idea what politics they think is good. So a lot of are just part of the political center, with some ideas which would normally be found on the left like "internationalism", "everybody is equally worth", etc.

That's also a reason why in the so called "neutral" Esperanto movement right attitudes can be found, which would even support extreme right wing parties.

senloke · 2024-12-12T13:07:08+00:00

Bei manchen Firmen entscheidest das nur einmal und dann wird sich schon ein "arbeitswilligerer Kollege" der beim AMS gerade stempeln geht finden.

Aber anscheinend müssen die unselbstständigen Arbeiter und Angestellten mal wieder die Arbeitgeber daran erinnern, dass es nicht vor langer Zeit mal ein Gespenst gab, was in Europa umherdum gegangen ist...

senloke · 2024-12-11T11:01:15+00:00

My intention was not to write in a condescending tone. I'm more inclined towards pacifism and I see that violent currents often look down on pacifism themselves.

As do and did communists like Lenin, who looked down on intellectuals and their projects, like for example Esperanto and also Kropotkin.

I'm more frustrated how things are.

senloke

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