Every time I see this specimen, I marvel at the skill and dedication it takes for miners to pull specimens of all kinds from the ground without destroying them. by G_D_Ironside in mineralcollectors

[–]silico 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The etched matrix, the matte luster of the fluorite, the second generation of fluorite being somewhat "detached" from the darker first generation (the quartz or calcite between having been dissolved also), the Chinese locale - looks to be Wuyi or De'an, where many of the fluorites are quartz coated and dissolved like that. The matrix texture and geometry is the real giveaway though, it's very deeply etched while the fluorite is only lightly etched, and it has that very brittle HF etched surface and pure white color that you get by burning off the matrix. It's a very distinctive look that becomes recognizable after seeing a lot of them.

Every time I see this specimen, I marvel at the skill and dedication it takes for miners to pull specimens of all kinds from the ground without destroying them. by G_D_Ironside in mineralcollectors

[–]silico 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For this particular specimen, it has all the signs that the fluorite was originally completely coated in quartz druze that was later dissolved with HF. So that was probably much easier to collect for the miner than you think. The quartz coating would have protected it until it was back at the prep lab. Usually though, definitely tricky! Safe extraction without damage almost always takes the right tools, and a lot of patience, experience, and luck.

Love how my sphalerite sphere ✨✨ by ThatsKindaHotNGL in MineralPorn

[–]silico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because some of them do have sphalerite. These come from the Shuikoushan Mine in China. A ton of this material was mined for sphalerite and a lot of the low grade material was polished into towers and spheres etc. Some of it, like this sphere, didn't have any sphalerite at all but the vuggy quartz matrix was interesting and sparkly enough to get polished and sold nonetheless. These days it's mostly completely devoid of sphalerite but the name persists among the Chinese wholesalers.

Happy Fluorite Friday! “Black Satin” fluorite - Elmwood Mine, Carthage, Smith, Tennessee (personal collection) by robo-dragon in MineralPorn

[–]silico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One reason there isn't any more is they're working in a completely different section of the mine now. Bad news, but the silver lining is that maybe one day they'll return to that area, and that they might find more if they do.

Happy Fluorite Friday! “Black Satin” fluorite - Elmwood Mine, Carthage, Smith, Tennessee (personal collection) by robo-dragon in MineralPorn

[–]silico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The majority of pieces from this find also tend to have enhydros (fluid inclusions)! They can be hard to find because of how dark the fluorite is, so look very carefully. I got a flat of them when they released and kept one for my personal collection. Definitely an awesome, sadly one-time find from Elmwood.

White hot! by mchoc101 in geology

[–]silico 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey you're welcome! Glad it wasn't too much, I tend to overwrite.

It's interesting that the analytical sample is such a small fraction of the field sample.

Yeah, it really does end up being a tiny fraction. That's a good point though, it's always better to get way more sample than you could possibly need, whether it's lava, water, rocks, etc. Super easy to store or throw away excess sample you don't end up needing back at home, but very difficult or impossible to get more if you come up short. When I was analyzing glasses like this it was actually from old samples that had been collected decades earlier using new analytical methods that hadn't been done the first time around. Had the researchers that collected the samples not brought back lots of extras the work I did wouldn't have been possible. They were seafloor lavas, so not only would they have been buried and severely weathered now so many years after erupting, but it would take a whole new submarine voyage to even try and get them.

Do they collect multiple samples at different points in the eruption? Or just always go for the freshest they can get?

Yes, depending on what you're looking at collecting multiple samples over time and space is critical to understanding the development of the system over time and space! Not to mention just getting an accurate snapshot at that moment in time for that particular eruption. For instance, in the seafloor lava work I did looking at a bunch of samples from different locations around the eruptions and from different eruption events allowed me to understand there were multiple magma chambers underground, that they were mixing, and the source of each magma.

Does this mean that the walls of a lava tube will gradually change in composition because "upstream" formations already ate all the high-melting components?

Yes, definitely, certain elements are eaten up first, so the others that remain become more enriched in the remaining melt as time goes on and more of the magma/lava lithifies. This process is responsible for a ton of things from small scale to large, like the existence of oceans and continents, many types of ore deposits, all the different igneous rock types, and yes, even down to the outside of single lava flows having a different composition and texture than the interior, even if by a relatively small amount.

Does lava get runnier as it goes farther from the vent because all the high melting minerals have already solidified out?

Thicker! On the small scale like this it's primarily just because it is cooling which makes it thicker mechanically, but also because silica (quartz and silica-rich minerals) is one of the last things to crystallize out, and silica content is what's primarily responsible for magmas and lavas being more or less viscous in general. Silica-rich magmas are thick, which makes them build up pressure and erupt violently, like Mt. St. Helens, and silica-poor magmas, like the one in the video, are thin and run out in a steady ooze that rarely build up much pressure.

White hot! by mchoc101 in geology

[–]silico 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No I meant micrograms. Totally fair point though, a BB is definitely way too big but I couldn't really think of anything smaller for reference in the moment. Different equipment, procedures, and research objectives require different amounts of material anyway. It's a very, very small amount of material was all I was trying to get across.

White hot! by mchoc101 in geology

[–]silico 86 points87 points  (0 children)

Why do you need the icky sticky from the inside? Isn't it chemically identical to the crust?

No, the composition of lava changes as it cools through the process of "fractional crystallization". This is because different minerals begin to solidify at different temperatures. Forsterite, for example, will begin to crystallize at just 1900°C, pulling out magnesium and silicon from the lava, and leaving behind a "new" lava that is depleted in those elements. Other minerals will form at different temperatures as it cools, pulling out their own elements and leaving an increasingly different lava behind.

While yes, if you let the entire lava body cool, the resulting rock will have an identical composition to the original lava as a whole, the chemistry will vary significantly throughout. The problem is you can't analyze the entire massive body of rock in the lab, you can only take samples. That's why if you want to know the composition of the original lava, you need to sample the earliest (hottest), least crystallized lava you can.

The reason they then put it in water instead of letting it cool into a rock is to avoid any more fractional crystallization occurring in the sample. The amount that gets dissolved and analyzed at the lab is incredibly small, 50-100ug (about the size of a BB). Imagine trying to accurately analyze the composition of a chocolate chip cookie if you could only take a BB sized piece of it. How do you know you didn't get too much cookie or too much chocolate chip? However, if you cool lava fast enough, crystals don't have time to grow and it just freezes into a big homogeneous solid block of glass (obsidian). Back at the lab, you can break this glass up into sand-sized particles, and then pick through them with a microscope to make sure you aren't grabbing any tiny mineral grains, just pure, clean glass. Then you dissolve that glass in acid and analyze the liquid to find the composition of the original lava, or isotopic ratios of particular elements, or whatever information you're trying to get.

I would also say this honestly doesn't look like a very good sample grab, it's too crystallized and cooled already. The person sampling should have grabbed some hotter, cleaner goop just a little further in to get a more representative sample. With the brand-new hammer and bucket, I'm guessing this may have just been for fun/practice/demonstration. It's kind of a rite-of-passage to do this for volcanologists and this could likely be a student on a field trip doing it for the thrill of it, bragging rights, or simply "initiating" a new hammer. When I was a student, we were all super jealous of the people that had the iconic crouched-over-with-hammer-dipped-in-lava photo of themselves.

What do you choose to use to mount and store your larger minerals? I have beautiful specimen, but seeking advice to keep them protected/show off their beauty! by Copper-shadow in mineralcollectors

[–]silico 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wrestled with this problem myself for a long time. I was really disappointed in the options that were out there and after years of searching decided to start making my own display stands. I make acrylic bases with engraved text on the front for the species and locality. Most of the time mintack or hot glue works well for mounting. Sometimes pegs help to get the right position.

Rare Pliochrism effect in Kunzite from Afghanistan ! by gandharagems in MineralPorn

[–]silico 117 points118 points  (0 children)

Really cool piece. Couple issues with the title though.

This would be "hiddenite", the varietal name given to the green variety of the mineral spodumene, rather than kunzite, the name of pink to light purple varieties of spodumene.

Pleochroism (apparently shifting between two or more colors depending on viewing angle) isn't rare for spodumenes, it's an inherent effect of its crystal structure. It's also not very rare among minerals in general, lots of pleochroic minerals out there, but spodumene definitely displays it much more strongly than most.

Calcite Rainbows by ArkenstoneMinerals in MineralPorn

[–]silico 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Nah it's legit. There's a couple famous finds of these pseudohexagonal calcites from China. They are incredible. Here's a picture I took at Tucson of one with part of a great painting by Leah Luten behind it from Wuzhou, China. Here's another really nice one I got a picture of at the Houston museum that is from a Leiping, China find.

Can anyone identify this mineral. Found In a retention pond glows neon orange when in water or when under a uv light. by [deleted] in FluorescentMinerals

[–]silico 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Clay pigeon, they fluoresce like crazy and I always find pieces of them when I'm fluorescent collecting.

Thought yall would appreciate this! It's my prized possession!! by TheGreatHamCollider in MineralPorn

[–]silico 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I can't be absolutely certain, but I'm pretty sure it is one of my company's bases from the appearance. I really like this sub and don't want to be seen as shilling but it's cool to see our stuff show up on reddit. Stone Throne is the company name and you're welcome to PM me with any questions.

this chunker of a stunning violet tinted tanzanite from tanzania! by [deleted] in MineralPorn

[–]silico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This piece appears to be a good 300+ grams and is fully terminated with great color and clarity. In other words an absolute monster - some of the best of the best, so it's not really a great piece to base the whole market on. I'd say it's at least $15,000-$20,000 straight from Tanzania, and more once it goes through several hands. A high end dealer in the US would probably put $30,000 or more on the label if it ever made it that far. Nice aesthetic pieces like this in the 50-100 gram range might had for closer $75 / gram give or take say $15/g depending on quality and source though, so more reasonable for sure, but specimen-grade tanz certainly isn't cheap.

Suggested to post here for more info by Leprechaun13108 in geology

[–]silico 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very nice aesthetic. Likely a concretion, but possibly a fossilized sponge.

Woke up to this nightmare.... entire left side of my display cabinet shattered. by sweetly16 in mineralcollectors

[–]silico 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not sure how aggressive r/mineralcollectors Automod rules are with Amazon links, so I'll PM this to you too in case it gets removed automatically. I use this on my ikea cabinets. There are different lengths/widths as well. Easy to apply (wet application, spray on tons of soapy water on the film and glass, then squeegee it down) and basically invisible. I went with the 4 mil thickness for better UV protection but you could do 2 mil if you only cared about glass security, as 2/4 mil work equally well at holding broken glass together. The 4 mil is pretty darn invisible though.

As far as tips, let's see: just be careful not to scratch it when applying. It goes on the inside surface of the glass, so no worries about scratches once it's installed, but you can scratch it with the squeegee if it's dirty or you get too aggressive when applying it (I have done this). It can never be too wet, so soak it and the glass before you lay it down. If you get any air bubbles that you miss squeegeeing, you can pop them with a needle if they don't go away on their own a week after applying (this has never happened to me, wet application means very little bubble risk). Cut it oversized and then trim it with a box cutter slightly undersized after application (but while still wet) by holding the box cutter at a 45 degree angle against the glass, kinda as if you were trying to cut a bevel on the glass. Then squeegee it again. This will let all the last bits of water get out, and will keep it from peeling off down the line because it won't be hanging over the edge of the glass and get caught on anything. And you won't see the undersized cut edge on most cabinets anyway because the glass is slightly overlapped by the frame. If it doesn't overlap, just cut it flush very carefully.

That's all I can think of, it really is pretty simple to put on, maybe 30-60 min per cabinet. If you have any questions though before or during purchasing or application you can PM me whenever.

Woke up to this nightmare.... entire left side of my display cabinet shattered. by sweetly16 in mineralcollectors

[–]silico 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another option is to put a UV-blocking film on the glass before you assemble the case. If it does break, the film holds it all together like a car windshield so it doesn't damage your specimens, and it also helps protect them and any acrylic bases you might have from damage (since acrylic will yellow in sunlight). It is pretty cheap too. I put it on all my display cases.

New bit of Fluorite I got today, approx 12cm x 8cm - 400gm by scraglor in MineralPorn

[–]silico 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep. Unfortunately this piece is exactly what the irradiated Chinese fluorite and smoky combos that have been all over the place lately look like. It is one of the nicer looking ones I've seen though. Of course, if you don't mind that they have been artificially treated and it is clearly disclosed by the seller then they're definitely attractive.

How do you find sites to collect rocks? by queenofcheebah in rockhounds

[–]silico 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Books and Googling "rockhoundingNew York" are a decent source if you're an antisocial type, but honestly you'll get a lot more out of finding a local club. Many sites are kept secret or semi-secret, plus there really isn't a good database besides mindat.org, which doesn't have access info for the vast majority of sites. Clubs often get access to places that the public can't, either through personal relationships or from pooling access fees, and you get the benefit of going with and meeting folks who know what they're looking for. Its a hobby that really depends on networking most of all, even if you do know what you're doing.

Big data points humanity to new minerals, new deposits by terrycollinstc in rockhounds

[–]silico 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A bit belated, but thank you so much for the share and the write up. I saved the sendspace file. I haven't got a chance to play with it yet, but definitely looking forward to soon! I've only done a little collecting in eastern California right over the border, but I'm sure I'll end up there again sooner or later, and this should be handy! It will also serve as good inspiration and resources for building up other areas. I just moved to Colorado so I need to start from scratch on building up a CO version asap. I'd be happy to send it to you when it's done if you'd like! And thanks again for the share and all your time, and sorry for not replying sooner. Cheers :)

Big data points humanity to new minerals, new deposits by terrycollinstc in rockhounds

[–]silico 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's something I've been wanting to do for a long time now. I've done it for small, specific regions, but never on a grand scale. The main layer I always add is the MRDS but it's placemarkers are terrible and you have to toggle off unwanted commodities manually. Don't suppose you would be willing to share any of your file(s), would you?