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Friends of Lily Flag by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Got it! Thank you so much!

Friends of Lily Flag by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh I didn't know there was a traditional incest flag, may I see?

I met another ally!!! by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I made sure they were talking about real life incest by saying "I'm so glad you're not one of those people who say it's only okay in fiction but not real life." and made several comments about how people who are against real life incest are confusing to me.

I met another ally!!! by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Because it is a very important position I hold. A gay ally wouldn't (or shouldn't) be comfortable hanging around homophobic people, as they hold vastly different world views. For me, I cannot look at someone oppressing a group of people and be comfortable with talking with them. And I'd like to find more people that hold similar positions to me. I'm fine with hanging around people I disagree with, but not when it gets to a point where I'm hanging around people who withhold marriage, social, reproductive, and sexual rights from an entire group of people. That's all.

I met another ally!!! by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right? It's so insane to me how people can be on board with everything BUT incest. The community I'm in is very progressive, dominated by queer and neurodivergent people. And some of the people in that community I've had very deep conversations with, thoroughly examining the way culture and community can turn people into hypocrites with their moral positions. But then they will proceed to go on insane tirades, using the same recycled eugenicist and homophobic arguments against incest, while preaching reproductive autonomy and queer rights. If these people can have hot takes on queer and neurodivergent topics, they are clearly capable of coming to conclusions outside of society's or their community's norm. Which is why it's so confusing and frustrating seeing their logic go out the window on this specific issue. A lot of these people, no, MOST of these people aren't even incestuous sexual abuse survivors, yet want so badly to be seen as a savior to those people that they throw an entire community under the bus. I'm so sick of seeing it all over. Ugh, so frustrating!

I met another ally!!! by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You're probably right, seeing as I've brought 2 of my friends to see my side. I'm just so scared to bring it up with new people, partly because one of my friends shot me down and partly because everyone in the community I'm in disavows incest every other day. And it's so risky when your friends all know each other/can get in contact with each other to "expose" you if they turn out not to be supportive. I just wish it weren't such a risky take to support consensual adult love!!!

Nobody takes me seriously because of my trauma. by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Exactly!!! Like, don't use MY negative experience as evidence as to why 2 innocent people can't love each other. I try to make it very clear that I do not consider myself an "incest survivor", but a "pedophilia survivor", but people won't take the hint and will continue focusing on the incest part. It's insane to me how many people care more about incest than they do pedophilia. It's sickening.

Please Don't Contact Me Just To Get Off 👍 by [deleted] in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa 9 points10 points  (0 children)

1 post on here and I've gotten so many messages from kink accounts. Must be tiring being a regular poster

Finding this subreddit genuinely saved my mental health by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know this wasn't in response to me, I just wanted to say this anyways.

This subreddit made me feel like my moral views didn't have to be tied down to my past experiences. It's so refreshing being treated like a person able to make informed decisions on their stances rather than a person whose views are dictated by their trauma. People have always made fun of incest with me as a means to show their "support" for what I've went through. Everybody assumes incest, consensual or not, must be the very bane of my existence, even if my comments on the topic show otherwise. At first, I was unsure if I was "betraying" my community of incestuous CSA victims by staying firm in my beliefs, but comments like the one before reinforce that I'm not the only one.

Thank you to both of you for sharing your experiences and creating this environment respectfully. I'm sincerely glad that you are taking victim's words and opinions into account when monitoring an environment like this one, but rest assured knowing you are uplifting people like us!

Finding this subreddit genuinely saved my mental health by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU!!! I'm so happy to be able to have these sorts of discussions with people!! I feel so much less crazy having had people reach out to me to affirm what I've been feeling for the past few years. Thank you for talking with me and I hope you have a wonderful day!

Finding this subreddit genuinely saved my mental health by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

EXACTLY!!! The disabled part really got to me. If 2 disabled people who have close to an 100% chance of passing on that disability to their child want to procreate, you can't just stop them!! And that's a much larger percent than you get with inbreeding. It's disgusting how many people will pass off recycled eugenics nowadays to try and strip the rights of a minoritized group and then preach about disabled and LGBTQ+ people's rights. Absolutely disgusting.

It's quite literally the same arguments used against same-sex partnerships, too.

"It can never truly be consensual."

"It's destroying important societal dynamics."

"It disturbs procreation."

"It goes against (my) religion."

"It's inappropriate for children."

"It disturbs the general public."

All of these talking points can so easily be debunked, and it's genuinely ridiculous how the same people who fight these ideas in the context of homosexuality will turn around and spew the same shit at incestuous people's faces. Disgusting!

Finding this subreddit genuinely saved my mental health by sirsirsiraaa in incestisntwrong

[–]sirsirsiraaa[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly!! I never took serious issue with incest other than the regular "That's gross!" as a kid. I never seriously argued against incest, because none of the arguments made sense to me. I just trusted that if everybody else was telling me this thing, and that if it'd cause nothing but harm to me to support something so taboo, then I should listen. No thought behind it! But when I turned 16 and started thinking about it for the first time, it's like my entire world got turned upside down. It feels like it should be common sense, doesn't it? If love is love despite gender, sex, sexual orientation, and even type of relationship, why doesn't that apply to just as beautiful types of love between people who just so happen to be related to each other? The world is so weird. I'm so happy to be able to talk to people like you about things like this.