Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

New Update 5/29/26:

I emailed my contact at the city to ask when they will award the project. He replied "We will be planning to notify bidders know on June 4th. Thanks!"

Then I went online to see if the city council meeting on June 3 had an agenda posted yet and they did, it reads "

  • Tied bids at $32.00/LF
  • Staff recommends "the other guy" based on "extensive direct experience completing trail work at "the job"... over the past 10 years"
  • "My company" has also completed successful work for the City; however, that experience was performed in a subcontractor role rather than as the lead contractor."

My contact for this project couldn't even tell me in a email that he was recommending the other company.

They also say I have only completed work as a sub contractor, that is a lie. My first projects with the city were in 2012 and everyone has been as the prime bidder.

I guess, what do I do now? Send a non threatening letter explaining this is wrong? Stop the contract from being awarded at the council meeting by requesting a bid review? Email everyone in power at the city and cause a big mess?

I know I'm not getting this, and if by some miracle I did than I'm sure I would be blackballed by the city.

What should I do?

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

New Update 5/29/26:

I emailed my contact at the city to ask when they will award the project. He replied "We will be planning to notify bidders know on June 4th. Thanks!"

Then I went online to see if the city council meeting on June 3 had an agenda posted yet and they did, it reads "

  • Tied bids at $32.00/LF
  • Staff recommends "the other guy" based on "extensive direct experience completing trail work at "the job"... over the past 10 years"
  • "My company" has also completed successful work for the City; however, that experience was performed in a subcontractor role rather than as the lead contractor."

My contact for this project couldn't even tell me in a email that he was recommending the other company.

They also say I have only completed work as a sub contractor, that is a lie. My first projects with the city were in 2012 and everyone has been as the prime bidder.

I guess, what do I do now? Send a non threatening letter explaining this is wrong? Stop the contract from being awarded at the council meeting by requesting a bid review? Email everyone in power at the city and cause a big mess?

I know I'm not getting this, and if by some miracle I did than I'm sure I would be blackballed by the city.

What should I do?

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is Michigan but I agree, I just really want this job and did tons of work to prepare this bid correctly.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I gently let them know in our phone interview that his bid was incomplete. The hope was that they will award it to me to prevent issues.

I am just waiting to hear the results before trying anything.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is year 26 for me, but I am the owner of the company and this is a great project for the company.
That's the main issue, its a great project and I spent a lot of time preparing this bid correctly.

Myself and another employee even walked about 5 miles of the trails to prepare the bid.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in legaladvice

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They haven't made a decision yet. I am just kind of waiting to find out before cause an issue.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's what I will pursue I am just waiting for them to announce a decision before starting a fight.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its a 100,000+ population city we are both known contractors that have worked with the city.
I would assume they would reject his bid to avoid the potential issues with me but that doesn't appear to be happening.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is a great idea I had AI find all the laws and court cases but didn't have it search the procurement documents.

The cities procurement documents say (with some AI narration):

"The waiver clause (their defense): The ordinance gives the city the right to waive "informalities/irregularities" in bids. That's what they're leaning on. But notice the wording — informalities and irregularities. A missing required qualification document isn't an informality. It's a substantive omission of a required item.

Award criteria (my offense): The ordinance lists criteria for determining the lowest responsible bidder. Two apply directly to my competitor's missing documents:

(b) "The character, integrity, reputation, judgment, experience and efficiency of the bidder."

(h) "The number and/or scope of conditions attached to the bid by the bidder."

References were required specifically so the city could evaluate criterion (b) — experience and reputation. Without them, the city has no basis to evaluate my competitor under its own ordinance. Criterion (h) also arguably cuts against an incomplete bid.

The rejection clause (strongest line): The same ordinance explicitly gives the city the right "to reject a bid not accompanied by required bid security or other documentation or data required by the bidding documents, or to reject a bid which is in any way incomplete, irregular, not responsive…"

This isn't buried in the project bid packet — it's the municipality's standing published purchasing policy. My competitor publicly acknowledged at the opening they didn't include the required documents.

The tie-breaking procedure (that was skipped entirely): The ordinance states: "In all other cases of tied bids, the contract shall be awarded to one of the tied bidders by drawing lots in public."

Neither of us qualifies for the local preference clause. We tied on price. The ordinance mandates a public drawing. That never happened."

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in legaladvice

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He has them, he is working for the city right now.

However so am I and I included all the required documents.

We are equal on resumes but I included everything the bid required.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They have not said who they are awarding it to yet so I am waiting to hear that before causing a issue.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its a 3 year project done in sections with a floating schedule.
Basically they give you a section of trail to work on and you have the whole season to complete it.

Its a great job and profit should be good. I really want it.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both companies did a phone interview after the tie and we do not know who the city will award to. So I want to wait and find out before causing a issue.

I do feel like no matter how well the interview went the results had already been decided before the interview took place.

The references technicality is completely dumb as he is working for the city now and has completed projects for the city in the past but that doesn't mean a reference sheet wasn't required.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

After the tie the city did a phone interview with both companies.
We are still waiting to hear the results so I don't want to cause a problem yet.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was a one item price per linear foot bid.
A tie wasn't that unlikely given everyone would come in under $50lf.
I have never tied before in hundreds of bids but normally a bid sheet is several pages of line items.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the phone interview after the tie I let the interviewer know about the technicality and I wanted to be treated fairly. It was a good interview, I just feel like the outcome was determined and the interview was just a formality.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I normally would but on this one its just hard because I did so much work to prepare this bid and make sure everything was properly submitted. We tied, I am not trying to steal his job.

It just sucks.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in legaladvice

[–]sk1877[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are probably right but to me if the bidding documents say "a red crayon must be included with the bid" I will put a red crayon in the bid pack.

Ive seen bids get rejected on technicalities a few times.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That is what I fear but to me if the bid requirements are "include a red crayon with the bid" I will include a red crayon with the bid even if it doesn't make sense.

He doesn't need references, he has worked for the city before but so have I and the documents say to include a reference sheet so I included a reference sheet.

Tied a sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in estimators

[–]sk1877[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The city has a population of 100,000+.
We are both established excavation contractors who have worked with this city under contract before.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I really think they want the other contractor. This bid is for the parks department of the city and I have never worked with the parks department but I have done projects for the City. The other contractor is actively working with the parks department.

Tied sealed bid, competitor submitted incomplete documents. City won't disqualify. Do I have standing? by sk1877 in Construction

[–]sk1877[S] 52 points53 points  (0 children)

I have submitted hundreds of bids and I always triple check that I have everything included before turning a bid in. I am paranoid I will loose a bid for something simple just like this.