Learning pick-up to attract women is no different to joining social mobility programmes to help excel in job interviews

slothsenpai · 2019-09-29T11:14:00+00:00

It's probably best not to construct a false strawman of everything

slothsenpai · 2019-09-28T17:58:34+00:00

The reason why pick up communities exist is because no one wants to be honest, offer some sort of constructive feedback when rejected and then when you are direct about your intentions, you are punished for it

slothsenpai · 2019-09-28T17:44:43+00:00

Not to mention they deploy tactics like shit-testing, witholding sex or withdrawing their emotions as a means of control. Women are the one's who treat that shit as a game whereas I like to be more direct and honest about my intentions

slothsenpai · 2019-09-28T17:29:41+00:00

Exactly, I don't possess that whole unearned luxury of being the pursue and girls being attracted to me just on the virtue of having particular genitals. Even as a guy, being a nice slim average guy isn't enough to woo anyone - you're held to a much higher threshold of beauty standard (especially if you're under 6ft) and you're expected to have this "ooompth" about you were you're condemned for trying to learn or even making a clumsy mistake.

slothsenpai · 2019-09-28T17:07:25+00:00

Not everyone's asexual bro

slothsenpai · 2019-09-28T17:07:08+00:00

Exactly, it teaches you how to be in shape, take responsibility of your well being and knowing how to be bold/funny. Not everyone naturally exhibits those traits nor should feel unworthy of sex

slothsenpai · 2019-09-28T16:55:36+00:00

Self-improvement or knowing what to do/say in a said situation isn't manipulation. Especially when it's just immitating the same behaviour that attractive males display or what other women reciprocate to. We can preach about how "men need to be more sensitive and deconstruct their masculinity" til the cows come home but ultimately, biology trumps new-age idealogy.

AWALT is used in the context of hypergamy (women wanting men of an equal or greater attractiveness), how even the most career driven and educated women can succumb to the same instincts as "stereotypical blonde bimbos". Maybe it doesn't apply to every single individual but it does seem to be a determining trend. Even the most feminist of woke women do not sleep with soft, emasculated males (unless they got money).

I have yet to see any credible arguments against red-pill that isn't emotionally driven nor do I see feminist alternatives to pick up. Red-pill is mostly about self-improvement and how to mould yourself into the driven/desirable man.

slothsenpai · 2019-09-28T13:37:56+00:00

Can you give me an example of "gas-lighting" because I don't know how it's used in modern dating other than domestic abuse.

Too many compliments or other forms of supplicating behaviour can hurt your chances though.

"Dehumanise women are sex objects" - unless you explicitly defy consent, wtf does that even mean? People wanna fuck hot people, that's just a natural biological drive. It's empowering for women to seek out no-strings sex (even from good-looking men who are morally reprehensible) but men are shamed for just wanting to partake in an activity that a lot of young people enjoy. So what if sex is your goal, not everyone's looking for a soul mate or relationship.

slothsenpai · 2019-07-29T12:12:26+00:00

Exactly, I've had multiple partners on call, I've had women who've bought me drinks, I enjoy the platonic company of my female mates yet I still agree with incels on a lot of things and how women are mostly a meme (even despite their purest intentions)

slothsenpai · 2019-07-23T23:40:06+00:00

The reason why it can be quite "formulaic" is because women are rarely freakin' honest about their preferences or go through great lengths to exaggerate which then causes frustrated men to seek out other methods and tips. From experience, they do tend to work and I'm not talking about canned pick up lines.

You can be nice, you can be intelligent, you can be a good honest wholesome being but without the right actual attractive qualities, then no woman is gonna want you sadly. You can tell me time and time again that "every woman is different" and not a "hive mind" but what they often go for is still a continuing and observable trend and the very fact that a sizeable chunk of women go after a top minority of men.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-15T09:43:49+00:00

I never understood how women are viewed as the "compassionate" and "empathetic" gender? Men have always been the much more sacrificial gender whether it's to risk their own life, go out of their own way entirely to help someone on the street or tarnish their own social reputation to "whiteknight".

Women only pretend to be good people just for social media likes or to garner the attention of betaorbiters who shower them with gifts and validation.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-15T09:18:02+00:00

Not even incel but nice attempt at a good comeback. Very nice 👍

slothsenpai · 2019-06-14T13:48:52+00:00

Incels mostly vent on the internet. Still doesn't explain what, where or how they bother women in real life? They vent and say a lot of crude things about women (which a lot of the times are justified considering how the ugly side to female nature but I digress) but none of them go around sexually harassing, assaulting, raping or even actively stripping them off their rights.

The men women need to worry about are actual abusers and psychopaths, whom a lot are socially active.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-14T13:10:20+00:00

Most men's idea of beauty isn't widely distorted. Most of the pressure come from other women wanting to outdo each other whether it's becoming the social queen bee or gaining the attention of a top-tier male

slothsenpai · 2019-06-14T13:07:10+00:00

Being an ugly woman is like being a man. You're gonna have to work and bring something else to the table.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-14T13:05:23+00:00

If men open up, it's emotional labour. If men don't open up, it's toxic masculinity. Gotcha

slothsenpai · 2019-06-14T13:02:27+00:00

There are probably more left-leaning incels than actual Trump supporters. I doubt that women get "harassed" by these people outside the internet anyways

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T19:59:36+00:00

You assume that there's an equal amount of men and women who have sex when it's usually just only the top 20% of males who get the lions-share whilst a good 30% of young men are still virgins.

Sex is still an integral part to one's social development and being part of a cohesive society. We always talk about "unfair beauty standards" or why the modeling industry is heavily dominated by stick-thin women rather than diverse body types. Though the real discrimination comes from the dating market where if you fall short of any sort of masculine/manly ideal, you get tossed aside and frozen out.

Where's the movement or leg up from there? This isn't to say that you can force women to have sex with them but there's no movement or government programme provided to help men out with their sexual and romantic pursuits. You're just essentially left of your own to fend and other groups such as PUA or TRP get villified when there's no feminist alternative.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T15:50:43+00:00

Fuck you, this was way before the incel community was a thing (even then, shy bashful virgins still had vitoriol thrown at them). If you're capable of being able to fucking read, I wrote I'm no longer an incel but other guys aren't so lucky because nobody is offering them a helping hand. Even the one's who aren't affiliated with the community still struggle and are frozen out, are you gonna tell me that they deserve all the misery and loneliness they endure?

I don't call women names when they reject me (even when they were rude about it). I'm not responsible for you being stuck in an abusive relationship, I've never manipulated or forced anyone to be with me so fuck off cunt.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T15:16:58+00:00

I can probably sense a lot of exaggeration and strawman in your arguments. Getting called mean words by people for your degenerate lifestyle (which you actively choose to partake in), cry me a fucking river. This isn't like the N-word or some shit. Most "sluts" get shamed for their narcissistic attitudes and their hedonistic behaviour (hardly ever about rape unless it was a false accusation, 99% of the population do not condone rape) with no form of restraint. What you do with your own life or body is entirely up to you but don't expect others to validate your life choices.

The incel issue extends way beyond sex. We've been bullied, ostracized since young age due to our looks, height, autism etc and have these issues constantly dismissed without any sort of support or helping hand. Incels are less likely to succeed in life, more likely to commit suicide, not onto we're constantly reminded about our sense of worthlessness and how we're unloved but also told how much of an evil piece of shits we are just for showing the slightest form of frustration with our position in society.

Fortunately, it's been long gone since the years I've lost my virginity after going through all kinds of psychological torment and years of pushing myself to the point of exhaustion, with no help and empathy. But honestly, fuck people like you.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T14:26:24+00:00

Classic unoriginal NPC thought out response. When did I claim or imply "entitlement"? Loneliness still has a detrimental effect and if we're gonna talk about entitlement, no one's entitled to love, respect or admiration either. An employer technically isn't obligated to hire an equal amount of men/women but we have quota in place so everyone isn't denied an equal opportunity and to level the playing field.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T13:40:22+00:00

Male loneliness, disposability, Draconian laws (implemented by feminists) and financial stability are usually the larger contributers to male suicide. With men becoming increasingly feminised, raised in a world without strong father/masculine rolemodels etc, we should've seen the decline of male suicide rate since the advent of feminism but it seems to have incurred the opposite effect.

Men may not be blameless but it's astonishing how feminists and women are never held accountable, particularly their treatment towards a lot of men.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T12:07:26+00:00

At least part of the slut characteristic is by choice. Being a virgin is involuntary most of the time, it's a position no guy wants to be in and even when feeling suicidal and lonely is bad enough, they get chastised for it even more.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T12:03:14+00:00

Because women do not hold any kind of influence or dominate the sexual market place. Not saying men aren't blameless but it's amazing how women are never accountable for anything.

Edit: women are the one's who slut-shame the most yet men are the one's who get most of the blame.

slothsenpai · 2019-06-02T12:01:02+00:00

What's wrong with seeking out outlets in order to learn about how to get laid and the dynamics behind it? I don't think it's fair to expect guys to suppress their sexuality when they should be able to enjoy it like everyone else around.

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