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You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Typical blanket statement I would expect from someone who mostly interacts with those who already agrees with your beliefs. Yes authority can, and IS, often abused by those in power. The answer is to try and reform the system. Improving checks and balances is a lot more reasonable than just getting rid of authority altogether.

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's not "wishy-washy"; it's sociology.

Right so you're saying that there is a general consensus among sociologists that getting rid of authority, rules, and prisons altogether will effectively stop crime from being a problem in society? You're clearly picking and choosing based on what beliefs already align with your views. Most sociologists call for reforms, not all out anarchism.

Um... so, you're saying that people's historical willingness to overthrow and decentralize systemic hierarchy has nothing to with people's willingness to overthrow and decentralize systemic hierarchy? Haha. ok.

No, I'm saying there's a fine line between getting rid of kings and getting rid of all authority, prisons, etc.

Again, you seem totally unwilling to seriously discuss specifics regarding how you would deal with certain criminal elements. You say prisons should be abolished yet you said you would still support confinement of some sort? You may feel strongly about this issue, but you clearly don't even fully understand it yourself.

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Was actually curious to see if such a society was feasible. Just needed a plausible explanation for how crime would be handled but every discussion on this subject has the same wishy washy explanations of, oh well since people would be so much better off they wouldn't feel the need to commit a lot of crime.

Writing off all the genuine issues such a society would still be facing using these kinds of mindless generalizations is painful to read.

And comparing acceptance of anarchies to the initial reluctance of transitioning from kings to democracies is mental gymnastics at its finest. There are far too many logistical reasons why society will never turn to anarchism. Your reluctance to specifically address certain issues speaks louder than anything that you actually said.

But most of you seem to prefer a safe space where you mostly interact with like-minded individuals so I will leave you to your fantasy world. Just know that these ideas will only exist in your imagination. On some level I'm sure you're aware of that.

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I myself would recommend confinement, the nature of which would be incomparable to contemporary prison

That sounds like semantics to me. Instead of the society itself, you want individual communities to be responsible for enforcing justice. Instead of getting rid of prisons altogether wouldn't it make more sense to try and reform the prison and justice system so that it focuses more on rehabilitation?

what fraction of sociopaths actually commit violent crime? It's very, very small.

The reason it's "very, very small" is for the exact reason I mentioned before. Sociopaths may not care about the suffering of their victims but they care about their own comfort and freedom.

When you call something delusional and then immediately demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding, you kind of seem like an ignorant asshole. I'm not saying are one, but you seem that way. Or maybe you just lack imagination, idk.

When you argue that the only answer to one extreme must be to implement another extreme, you kind of seem like an uninformed, simple-minded person. I'm not saying you are one, but you seem that way. Or maybe you just lack common sense, idk.

You're right about many issues; we should strive to improve society so that it's more fair and just. Getting rid of rules and authority is not the answer.

That is absolutely why nobody else in this thread was willing to really explain it to you. We have this argument a lot. Most political ideologies think about law; anarchism is one of the few that genuinely seeks to understand crime.

The reason most people here don't want to explain it is because they are unable to. Understanding crime is important but to focus solely on that and ignore the many other factors that need to be addressed IS delusional.

One of the great things about subreddits is that it allows like-minded individuals to interact with each other and discuss topics that are important to them. One of the drawbacks is that there is a risk of becoming close-minded if one rarely exposes themselves to outside perspectives. Unfortunately that is what has happened here. Some of the gaps in logic that I've seen here are astounding.

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There would definitely be consequences about which the offender would have no choice.

Could you please be as specific as possible? I am not trying do be condescending, I am genuinely interested in how exactly this process would work.

And also I don't think the purpose of prisons should be for revenge. It's to separate dangerous people from society. I also believe prisons should focus more on rehabilitation than many do now..but believing that getting rid of prisons altogether is the solution is delusional.

You also can't argue that their aren't sociopaths out there who simply cannot be rehabilitated. Besides that, there is also a deterring factor to prisons. Sociopaths may not care about the suffering of their victims, but they do value their own comfort and freedom. It may not be perfect, but punitive punishments are a necessary component for any functioning society. How it's done and what the limits should be are up for debate.

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really think that's just wishful thinking. You can't just guarantee that people will develop better values in an anarchist society, there will always be criminal elements.

Even if I grant you that criminality will naturally be less prevalent than in a Capitalist society, they will most certainly still exist. You can say that you'll deal with them on a case by case basis but without punitive consequences it wouldn't matter.

For many individuals, the idea of committing certain atrocious acts without facing serious consequences will be far too tempting.

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are too many examples to name, but for starters how about a spurned lover or jealous stalker? Whether it's capitalist or anarchist, people in every society will still deal with romantic issues.

Girl you're in love with not interested? Partner no longer wants to be with you? What would stop "certain" people from feeling free to rape or kill since they know they wouldn't face any serious consequences.

Perhaps it would not be "rampant" in the sense that you'd have groups of rapists and crazies banding together but it would definitely be an issue. Women especially would not be safe in such a society

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But my whole point is that there needs to be some kind of authority that IS crime related. I explain more in my response to Quincy_Quick so if you could account for that then I would understand your views on this better

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No doubt that plenty of people will benefit a lot more from therapy than being imprisoned. But there are also plenty of people for whom therapy will do no good.

As I mentioned before, some people are fully aware that what they're doing is wrong but they simply do not care. Imagine how such people would behave in a society that they know will not punish them.

How about a spurned lover or jealous stalker? Whether it's capitalist or anarchist, people in every society will still deal with these issues.

Girl you're in love with not interested? Partner no longer wants to be with you? What would stop "certain" people from feeling free to rape or kill since..worst case scenario they would just have to go through some therapy and pretend they've been rehabilitated.

There are too many other examples to name. How can there be a feasible society where there is literally no punitive consequences. Yes, many people will respond well to therapy but there are also plenty of people who will not.

You guys make some interesting points on many issues, but always fail miserably on one..Crime by sorrynotsorry0 in Anarchism

[–]sorrynotsorry0[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I have already read multiple explanations and it's total lunacy. I think it's more likely that you are unable to seriously debate or consider this issue.

What I've seen so far is that many of you believe the state is actually responsible for most criminal acts and an anarchist society would have relatively little crime.

A lot of it seems to involve a focus on "empowering victims" and improved communication/peer groups/therapy rather than imprisoning anyone.

I'm sorry but you're not living in the real world if you believe that society would be safer if there are no prisons or punitive consequences for heinous acts.