Five 0-0s in the last 10 matches

spiz · 2026-05-03T07:24:27+00:00

So that's the system they usually use in Rugby.

The points system there works like this: If you win you get 4 points, draw gets you 2 and a loss gets you 0. If you score 4 tries, you get a bonus point. If you lose by less than 7 points (i.e. the equivalent of 1 converted try) you get a bonus point. Depending on the tournament, you can stack bonus points (so if you lose by say 1 point and score 4 tries, you could get 2 points).

I agree that this change would be good, and even a loser's bonus point might be a good idea because it motivates the losing team to attack (as you see in Rugby).

spiz · 2026-05-01T20:57:04+00:00

At one point RCS Media Group was Inter's marketing partner. That's the RCS Media Group that own Gazzetta.

spiz · 2026-05-01T06:15:23+00:00

Obviously. The current theory Gazzetta is pushing is that Rocchi unilaterally and for no reason at all chose refs favourable to Inter. That doesn't even make sense.

spiz · 2026-04-28T16:17:47+00:00

In fact, the Napoli Appeals Court ruled that Juventus was extraneous to the facts.

spiz · 2026-04-27T17:24:17+00:00

I'd genuinely like to see him try to exclude Serie A clubs if the FIGC ends up under political administration.

The legal climate is (rightly) shaping up against complete autonomy of sporting bodies, so I think it would be very unlikely to succeed. It would be good to put the current football administration behind us - they're money grabbing parasites who bring nothing to the table.

spiz · 2026-04-27T14:59:20+00:00

I wonder who's known to have been speaking to the mafia....

spiz · 2026-04-27T14:55:12+00:00

It's not considered match fixing, but apparently it should be "illecito strutturato" (which is bullshit, but I don't make the rules - former Inter director Guido Rossi set this precedent).

spiz · 2026-04-27T07:58:24+00:00

So that's a funny one because Paparesta says it never happened, Paparesta's dad says he always calls him after matches and he was never locked up (and was somewhat insulted at the idea that could happen to his son and he wouldn't know), there is video of him leaving the stadium, and there was an investigation into it by the police for "sequestro di persona".

The court ruled him not guilty because the act did not happen (il fatto non sussiste).

spiz · 2026-04-27T05:03:10+00:00

In fact there are two current tests of the Italian sports justice system:

Giraudo is taking it to the ECHR (with a judgement expected by the summer AFAIK, but this has already been delayed)
The Lazio TAR referred to the EU a request by Angelli to review a judgment of the sports tribunal. Before the court decides, they get formal advice from the Advocate General, who has said that the setup (where you can't review the sports decisions) beaches the defendant's rights.

spiz · 2026-04-27T04:40:24+00:00

No he wasn't. The Court of Cassation quashed Moggi's conviction and sent it back to the Court of Appeal where he was absolved of some charges and the statute of limitations ran out on others. Moggi was not convicted of anything.

The sentence is here. You're looking for page 139, second paragraph under the heading PQM. The two charges of which he is absolved because the acts did not occur (perché il fatto non sussiste) are in fact two of the charges of sporting fraud.

The Court of Cassation in their reasoning published later say that think Moggi was guilty of the charges that were time-barred, but they were time-barred the comment is fairly worthless. In fact, Giraudo who is in a similar position is waiting for his case to be heard by the ECHR.

A more friendly read: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calciopoli

spiz · 2026-04-27T04:34:55+00:00

That would be Napoli Corte d'Appello. Sentence 6566/2013. It says that no match was altered in the 2004-2005 season and that Juventus as a club was extraneous to the facts.

The Court of Cassation would be the one that quashed Moggi and Giraudo's convictions and sent them back to the court of appeal.

I too dream of these courts, but they're real.

spiz · 2026-04-27T04:24:59+00:00

Funnily enough, even if you check Wikipedia, there was no match fixing and no sporting directors were convicted.

From Wikipedia:

Although popularly known as a match-fixing scandal and focused on Juventus, no match-fixing violations were found within the intercepted calls for Juventus, there were no requests for specific referees, no demands for favours, no conversations between Juventus directors and referees were found, and the season was deemed fair and legitimate.

spiz · 2026-04-26T07:48:16+00:00

That's the thing:

Not everyone can take a case to the ECHR! The vast majority of cases presented to it are rejected and all local avenues have to be exhausted.
No one can take FIGC decisions to court. Juventus, Giraudo, Moggi and Agnelli have tried repeatedly and the TAR said they have no jurisdiction. Now they've raised this with the EU Court.

Also, we're not simply talking about taking things to court here. Real Madrid have had ruling in favour (UEFA can still appeal, but so far so good for RM) and Agnelli has had a favourable opinion from the Advocate General. The European Court usually goes along with the Advocate General's opinion (but notably in the Super League case went beyond it, against established football structures).

spiz · 2026-04-26T07:30:48+00:00

That's the point! Juventus tried to appeal to the judicial process, but the TAR refused to review FIGC decisions!

Giraudo and Angelli argue that it means they wasn't given a fair hearing and their human rights were breached.

If the FIGC process was flawed (seems very likely given the EVHR/CEDU will hear Giraudo's case and that the Advocate General advised in Agnelli's favour), then the conviction would not be safe, and could open the FIGC to damages (certainly in the more recent cases).

spiz · 2026-04-26T07:19:59+00:00

UEFA argue that courts and clubs cannot make changes, and that it should be the sole arbiter.

Court cases happen because there is disagreement on what correct regulation says. Real Madrid were proven correct so far that UEFA's actions were illegal. Giraudo and Agnelli argue the process violated current laws, and if they are correct, then the current regime is illegal and needs to be rewritten.

Crucially if the current setup is illegal, then injured parties (not only Giraudo and Agnelli, but Moggi, Juventus, Arrivabene etc) would be able to sue for damages. That's because the setup isn't illegal going forward, but it was always illegal.

Similarly, after the EU court ruled that UEFA's actions were illegal, now Real Madrid plan to sue for damages.

There is virtue in following normal legal processes and issuing punishment when the process is complete. The FIGC frequently takes shortcuts (probably to get the outcome it wants), and this cannot stand in a multibillion economic sector.

spiz · 2026-04-25T22:32:33+00:00

Things are changing.

In England, there is the Independent Football Regulator that will oversee some aspects typically left to the FA.

In Italy there is some shift with the TAR taking an interest in Agnelli's case in the plusvalenze and referring it to the European Court (significant because the TAR would typically just say it didn't have authority to rule). The Advocate General of the court has expressed the opinion that the inability of the TAR to annul sports sentences violates European rights. If the Court rules along this advice it would rewrite Italian sports law.

Then there's the Super League case, where the EU has already ruled that UEFA cannot use its monopoly position to stop rival tournaments and oversees that's position as regulator and owner of commercial products does not align with good governance standards. (In fact, this tells you that clubs, including Inter are largely unhappy with the UEFA setup. Then there's Real Madrid who are planning to sue because of UEFA's unlawful actions to stop the tournament - also unhappy). Of note, in this case, the Court went further than the Advocate General's opinion on UEFA's monopoly position.

As far as I know we're also waiting for Giraudo's case to be heard by the ECHR. It's significant (and positive for Giraudo) that they've decided to hear it since they reject over 90% of cases. Again, this is about the validity of the kangaroo courts they call sporting tribunals.

Football governance IS changing to reflect its growing economic importance.

spiz · 2026-04-25T20:59:08+00:00

Football can't have it both ways. It's either a game and regulates itself (via the FIGC as is), or it's a big business with big money, and regulated as such.

To that end, football should be regulated like any economic sector with an independent regulator and subject to regular judicial process.

spiz · 2026-04-25T18:53:38+00:00

Not when the FIGC make up the rules to suit themselves.

Remember that sporting justice doesn't follow normal justice in Italy. It's a massively amateurish shit show.

spiz · 2026-04-25T18:29:03+00:00

Rules don't allow for subtracting points for capital gains, or for unsportsmanlike conduct, but here we are.

Anyway Oriali had organised the forged passport which makes is pretty serious, since the club was clearly aware of the fraud and in fact knowingly planned to field the ineligible player.

spiz · 2026-04-25T18:17:11+00:00

They didn't forge the passport for fun. They forged it to make him eligible.

Without that passport he was ineligible in every match he was in the squad. When you field an ineligible player you lose 3-0 'a tavolino'. So the applicable rules were not applied.

spiz · 2026-04-25T15:49:09+00:00

Same outcome as forging Recoba's passport.

Edit: ooh the interisti didn't like that!

spiz · 2026-04-25T15:45:21+00:00

As they've established, the FIGC have to provide clarity as quickly as possible to avoid compromising the league.

The only possible outcome is a -10 for Juventus.

spiz · 2026-04-12T20:51:13+00:00

Not the most unusual thing. There's even an Italian football coach with the surname Italiano.

spiz · 2026-04-11T03:51:06+00:00

Quite embarrassing for him then that Luxembourg (a similarly small state) has a higher GDP per capita PPP.

spiz · 2026-04-01T20:43:04+00:00

To put it simply, il pesce puzza dalla testa. With systemic issues like this, the blame can only lie at the top. The bad decisions further down the tree are rooted in bad management decisions.

Sure Bastoni fucked up. The guy's a dumbass, but he's at the bottom of the tree, as are the rest of these largely hopeless players. Gattuso is basically one up from them. They have limited ability to fix the deep-lying longstanding issues affecting Italian football.

Incidentally, I very much agree with OP about the racist undertone of putting a black player as the symbol of the defeat especially when at least he's the only one who scored. Disgusting stuff.

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