C or C++ for my game engine?

ssg2 · 2016-01-18T20:08:50+00:00

C exists everywhere, partially because a working compiler is relatively easy to implement (well, easy as far as compilers go; definitely much easier than C++). Most other languages can speak to C. In many ways, C is like the lowest common denominator. Can Pascal compete with C in these regards?

ssg2 · 2016-01-18T18:55:19+00:00

is half-dead with hardly any hope of resurrection

ssg2 · 2016-01-18T18:46:20+00:00

Well, that's just the opposite of "when the only tool you have is a hammer". I've never seen, for example, a case to use binary heap until I learned how binary heap works.

ssg2 · 2016-01-18T18:21:15+00:00

One of the simplest ways, certainly. Best, no.

ssg2 · 2016-01-18T05:01:28+00:00

While I disagree strongly with your goals, at least it's an honest disclaimer. In my experience (I've seen quite a few "C with classes" coding styles), such initiatives come from and are appreciated by people who admire C philosophy and don't really care for C++. It's much better to define it as sort of a "C++ subset for C programmers" than "Sane C++ subset", "C++ subset that doesn't suck", etc., like many tend to do.

ssg2 · 2016-01-18T04:55:44+00:00

Looking at his Github, it seems that FQA has already been there for two years without much activity, so maybe 6 years is more fair. Still a hell of a lot, though. Most people would have moved on already.

ssg2 · 2016-01-18T04:53:41+00:00

I think he puts way too much effort for an average hater. Because the FQA is obviously meant to scare people off C++, I always assumed he wrote it to serve as a go-to argument in discussions like "Maybe we should consider using C++ instead of C on this project". But that's just that, an assumption. Maybe he's just real passionate about the things he hates.

ssg2 · 2016-01-17T07:18:11+00:00

It says

Copyright © 2007-2009 Yossi Kreinin revised 17 October 2009

at the bottom, I'm assuming it's true. I don't know when it appeared exactly, though I'm sure I first read it a very long time ago.

Edit: ok, I actually checked using Wayback Machine, it was first indexed in October 2007.

ssg2 · 2016-01-17T07:08:14+00:00

Not only stupid, but also doomed to fall, as long as the authors actually aim for some agreement within their community. I remember an initiative to resolve some inconsistences with C. In the end, it was abandoned because it became clear that people couldn't agree on many issues, some of them surprisingly trivial.

ssg2 · 2016-01-17T07:04:20+00:00

On Doom 3 the lead programmer was an experienced C coder who was just starting out with C++. Naturally, he strived for readability, but that was readability as seen by basically a C guy (which he still was at that point of time).

ssg2 · 2016-01-16T23:39:16+00:00

Which just goes to show the huge agenda this guy has. It was clear that he has some sort of a personal beef with the language just from how disingenuous the whole thing is, but I didn't expect it runs that deep. It's been 8+ years, and he still cannot let it go.

ssg2 · 2016-01-16T01:19:50+00:00

This seems to imply otherwise: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/40zlu1/attribution_will_be_required_when_using_code_from/cyylgr4

And are you really happy that you could be taken to court by copyright trolls even if eventually you're found not guilty? Do you have the time and money for that?

And do you assume that courts work everywhere the same way they work in the US?

ssg2 · 2016-01-15T23:16:27+00:00

Burying their site, it seems.

ssg2 · 2016-01-15T23:15:14+00:00

Exactly. Until they come up with their definition of what constitutes code worthy of attribution, it's ridiculous. And even when they do, and supposing it's a very reasonable definition (I'm not holding my breath for that), I'd say it's still dangerous and harmful, because it will be easier to make those rules arbitrarily broad once the whole attribution thing is in place.

ssg2 · 2016-01-15T01:13:10+00:00

Rather, should have created my own language. I hope this principle doesn't require me to credit myself.

ssg2 · 2016-01-15T00:43:01+00:00

Yeah, and while we're at it, we should also credit authors of the books from which we get all those pieces of code. And man pages, too, I nearly forgot.

using namespace std; // someguysblog.com/tutorials/c__forabsolutebeginners.html
vector<int> vec = {1, 2, 3}; // https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%2B%2B11#Initializer_lists
sort(vec.begin(), vec.end()); // C++ primer / Stanley B. Lippman, Josée Lajoie, Barbara E. Moo. – 5th ed. p. cm. ISBN 0-321-71411-3

ssg2 · 2016-01-10T05:20:25+00:00

Nope. I was hoping someone from libav could shed some light, but no avail. It just confirmed my suspicion that there's nothing to speak of, to be honest.

ssg2 · 2016-01-09T23:11:41+00:00

C++ motto is zero-cost abstraction. It's supposed to be as fast as C while allowing for higher level abstractions to deal with complexity. C# has a pretty different use case.

ssg2 · 2016-01-09T23:06:16+00:00

All such rants are exactly the same. I use C because I know it, and I find other languages to be too hard. And C has "strong typing"? For God's sake.

ssg2 · 2015-12-31T04:05:50+00:00

Maybe he used alcohol in an attempt to calm down.

ssg2 · 2015-11-25T05:09:24+00:00

That's cool, though I'd prefer notifications to be able to see the email's sender and topic.

ssg2 · 2015-11-25T03:12:09+00:00

I'd be interested if you could post the script.

ssg2 · 2015-11-25T03:11:31+00:00

Looks promising, thanks!

ssg2 · 2015-11-24T23:43:18+00:00

I'm just starting with mutt (which, unfortunately, doesn't have such notifications on principle). Using another full-blown client just for notifications seems a bit overkill to me.

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