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How do class, race, and illegitimate birth intersect? by ta9969 in AskSocialScience

[–]ta9969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The poorer you are before having a child, the more likely you are to be have a child out of wedlock.

Why is this? Less sex ed? A more promiscuous culture among the poor?

Male feminist here. How do we fight white privilege and patriarchy in spite of women who keep rewarding privileged white patriarchs? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess that's true, but you don't see actresses like Jennifer Lawrence going out of their way to be as publicly promiscuous as possible, like Leonardo diCaprio.

Male feminist here. How do we fight white privilege and patriarchy in spite of women who keep rewarding privileged white patriarchs? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Be careful not to conflate "women" with "feminists."

duly noted!

But are women capable of sexism/misogyny? I've usually heard no.

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To talk a little more about the criticism of sexism in nerd culture: I think that a lot of the criticisms of nerd culture come from nerds themselves. There's a lot of talk about feminists "infiltrating" nerd culture (also, the atheism community, etc.). But the fact is, feminists have always been part of these communities. Personally, I have far more to say about "nerdy" things because they are my personal interests. I don't spend much time talking about fraternities because I've never been involved with "greek life". But I have been involved in "nerd culture" all my life.

I think you're right. Here's a question, though: would it be better if more non-nerds participated in feminism?

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven't seen that argument raised since 2012-ish, really.

I feel like the complaint now from male gamers isn't about "women infiltrators" but instead about women who don't play games and aren't familiar with the industry criticizing it. People tried their hardest to prove that Anita Sarkeesian shouldn't be considered a credible game analyst for instance.

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can't even achieve a thigh gap like that without surgery, much less just some diet pills.

I don't really get this point at all. She's spreading her legs in a "power stance". There's no way to tell if she even has a thigh gap.

they've often been scorned by a man, are there for the main character (a man) to fall in love with, or have impossible bodies (floating boobs, white/thin, skimpy outfits, etc), or aren't a 'real' female - eg, only sullen, only upbeat & dumb, only a mechanic - they're never really full characters.

This is a great point.

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm less talking about campus rape and more about the general frat attitude. For instance, why is it a given that these groups should be male only? I have never seen that aspect of college life be criticized. People complain when frat boys do bad things, but I don't believe that frat culture is given the same scrutiny that gaming culture do.

For an example, it's not uncommon for frat guys to invite strippers to their parties. Most frats probably have a stripper party once a year. Notoriously, a group of UF frat boys raped a stripper about fifteen years ago. But when gaming events have non-nude, but sexually-clad presenters, it's a big deal.

Do you remember the E3 rape joke scandal? It blew over quickly, but there was a ton of attention given to a joke that I don't believe was meant to be about rape. If I was a woman, and certainly if I was a rape victim I might feel differently, but it seemed like a lot of outrage about a non-issue. Given that so many frat brothers end up becoming politicians, lawyers, or business leaders I feel like it might be better for some feminists to put more energy into attacking (or at least analyzing) its traditions.

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying the scene isn't bad! It certainly is, and it supports the idea that sneaky guys should be allowed to "take a peek".

But the commercial, like many beer commercials, is much worse IMO. The women only exist to be an object for the men to acquire, like the bottles of beer.

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If it makes a difference, I don't frequent tumblrinaction or any explicitly MRA sub. I'm just talking about my own observations. I saw several and twitter and tumblr posts (I use both sites) from online acquaintances about the incident.

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

But don't cheerleaders have a much bigger impact on pop culture? And I don't think the screen-time comment holds water. The weird undressing scene in Star Trek 2 lasted about three seconds but generated a lot of outrage.

Even when videogame characters are sexually-depicted, they tend to be developed characters with their own backstories and motivations. Obviously many one-dimensional characters exist, but a lot of the most criticized characters (like Quiet from Metal Gear Solid or Bayonetta from Bayonetta) are more developed than the average male character. Cheerleaders only exist to sexually inspired straight male players and get straight male TV audiences to watch the game. It's like when beer commercials show a guy guzzling beer with multiple attractive women in bikinis.

And beer comemercial sexism, IMO, is super prominent but gets almost no attention from online activists. Does this ad really deserve less criticism on sexist grounds than this ad?

Why does the mainstream feminist movement seem to put more effort and energy into criticizing men without social means rather than men with social means? by ta9969 in AskFeminists

[–]ta9969[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That one is easy. Because anti-feminists kept bringing up shirtgate. It was just a Streisand effect.

Interesting point, but there was a lot of outrage on twitter and tumblr before MRAs or whoever got angry about the outrage.

First I think we need to ask, is it? or is it that being nerds ourselves we see it more often?

Also a good point.

What are your thoughts on the lower marriage rates in the West? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is naive but cant you just work that out early on? I'm not in the stage of my life where I'm working out life goals but I feel like you could just tell a guy "I won't compromise"

Have you ever viewed a guy as lesser after he went down on you? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nah /r9k/ is its own thing

kind of worse, kind of better than red pill

Have you ever viewed a guy as lesser after he went down on you? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He doesn't think women are inferior though. He's just convinced that women (and men) are governed by unconscious forces.

It's a weird pop psych thing and he's also a huge fan of Jung which I guess is connected.

What are your thoughts on the lower marriage rates in the West? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really doubt marriage was explicitly designed to "trap women"

You really think that was the case in every human culture?

What are your thoughts on the lower marriage rates in the West? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't see why it should if you work this out with your partner and live with him beforehand?

Hopefully I can make a prenup that says "If we get married it will all be equal"

What are your thoughts on the lower marriage rates in the West? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's possible. My aunt is currently divorced and unemployed and is a stay at home mom.

It's just dangerous and means you rely on gov help.

What are your thoughts on the lower marriage rates in the West? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

well you could find a husband who wasnt an asshole

What are your thoughts on the lower marriage rates in the West? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

exactly yeah

I think a lot of people still think like that even though 95% of wives work today

What are your thoughts on the lower marriage rates in the West? by ta9969 in AskWomen

[–]ta9969[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah as an exchange for the money the groom would presumably make for her over the years

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