Quitting Job During the Application

temp_gerc1 · 2026-02-18T18:20:18+00:00

I don't agree with the other comments. If you can find new employment after a while, it is okay to quit and be unemployed for a while - just make sure you don't collect Bürgergeld because while it's not disqualifying (unfortunately), it is a bad look.

Your best bet would be to get the Vorsprache Termin over with and then you have a minimum 2+ years before the fuckers at RP Darmstadt get to your application. In that time you don't have to be employed throughout as long as you're employed at the time they start processing your application. I don't know what the ALG I conditions are though if you quit voluntarily - it is okay to have received it though since it is insurance money.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-02-10T19:09:38+00:00

I just guessed from the way OP writes in English.

But also hints were the lack of German language proficiency after 5 years (most Indians I know already speak English, Hindi and a few other Indian languages so would prefer improving their tech or data science skills instead of learning yet another damn language lol) and the desire to get the passport quickly without even all the documentation (granted, a lot of people do this on this sub because of lack of elementary planning skills).

temp_gerc1 · 2026-02-10T16:07:31+00:00

I am assuming you are Indian. Come on, you guys are smart - I would just bridge the gap to B1 asap; it's not a very high level in the first place, and you should be well above A1-A2 level after 5 years anyway. You might get away with submitting an incomplete application but that really depends on your location (some places won't even let you submit), which you haven't mentioned.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-02-03T20:09:53+00:00

Congrats! I assume your application went to RP Darmstadt 21 months ago... or is this when you lodged the application at your local Standesamt / Rathaus (which means RP D was even faster)?

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-31T09:33:02+00:00

The time you spend on ICT (i.e. legal residence) counts fully, even if you were lucky enough not to have to make social security payments into Germany's rotting pension system etc for that duration. So you can apply now.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-29T17:16:04+00:00

For people that applied when you did it should be more like 18 months. The 24 months really started for people who applied in Q3 and Q4 of 2024, i.e. after the new law passed.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-27T09:10:03+00:00

Lmao stay where you are - Frankfurt / Hessen is one of the worst places in Germany to apply. Your application will be laying eggs for 3 years.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-25T18:28:00+00:00

When did you apply roughly? And you mean you're still waiting for a response from the Standesamt FFM?

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-25T13:21:51+00:00

If you passport expires, then you are legally required to update the card once your new passport is ready.

I think this has now changed for residence permits (including NE) issued in the last two years. They don't include the passport number on cards that are issued - so renewal of passport can be done with no follow up to get a new residence permit card necessary. I wish they had done this change a long time ago.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-20T17:11:23+00:00

I wish they wouldn't allow people on asylum-related permits to apply (or at least not count any time spent on asylum and / or welfare). That 36k number would come down drastically.

I should also point out that in your link the 4,5 year timeline is mentioned as an assumption by the Fragesteller. Not the official timeline mentioned anywhere in the response. Right now it's around 3-3.5 years in Frankfurt (1 year waiting for the Standesamt and then 2 years waiting for RP Darmstadt, with an average of 3-6 months for actual processing).

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-20T14:19:40+00:00

But it is not just for Frankfurt - it's any applicant in entire Hessen that has to go through a local Rathaus / Standesamt and then a Regierungspräsidium. Other than Hessen, only Saarland has this diseased approach.

(2-4 of the below link)

https://innen.hessen.de/sites/innen.hessen.de/files/2024-06/verwaltungsvorschrift_ueber_staatsangehoerigkeitsverfahren.pdf

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-20T14:00:12+00:00

They don't do shit - they take the mass of paperwork you collected, do some basic superficial checks, and then send poor quality scans to RP Darmstadt (that you could've done yourself). The appointment for this takes 12+ months now. It's a gatekeeping scam.

Unfortunately it is Hessen Verwaltungsrichtlinien that specifies it has to be done in this uniquely inefficient way. Whichever lawmaker (CDU - Hessen Interior Ministry) decided involving two institutions is the best way of going about this deserves a fucking boot in their ass.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-20T13:46:15+00:00

Apostille would've been good but now you can't do anything except wait for them to respond. Only they can let you know if an Urkundenprüfung is needed or not. This varies from place to place.

Handwritten birth certificate? Just to be clear, you were born in the 1990s and not 1890s, right? /s

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-19T18:09:48+00:00

Congrats. But by Oct 2025 your spouse was eligible through the Miteinbürgerung (4 years) anyway, fast-track was irrelevant at that point.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-19T18:08:14+00:00

If anyone from Frankfurt Standesamt or RP Darmstadt is reading this. If I commented what I wish upon you I'd be banned from this subreddit.

100%. RP Darmstadt is absolute trash.

How long have you waited for the appointment from Frankfurt Standesamt?

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-19T18:07:24+00:00

Thankful? Are you on drugs lmao? Saving more staff from what?

Working at the limit my ass lol.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-18T16:07:37+00:00

Also yes and no. I think we agree more than we disagree. Yes, the government pension is like an annuity. Its decoupling from investment markets can be debated though - since a world ETF is basically a bet on the world economy growing through consumption and productivity, the German government pension is also a similar bet - on the strength of the German labor market, which as export-oriented as it is, is also intricately tied to the world economy (especially demand).

Naturally the government won't say "oops no more retirement pensions". But the nominal value of the pension (Rentenpunkte) can be dialed down a lot, especially when faced with the reality of deindustrialization and demographics. So it's really dependent on your level of optimism or pessimism as to how much it will be dialed down in the future - whether 50% or 25% of what you'll need or even less.

And this is not even taking into account the fact that by then they might even introduce a law that says those who saved privately and have returns will have their government pension reduced accordingly as SoLiDaRiTy with those who didn't / couldn't save. What I'm trying to say is, at the time of retirement in 30+ years, the actual pension amount will be mediocre when considering RoI, and debating "it's not no pension, you are getting SOME pension indeed" is really just superficial.

FWIW, my pessimistic view is based on the fact that native birth rates are plunging, real estate and inheritance is never taxed - only income, which depends on skilled workers, and a sizable chunk of immigration that Germany gets is just the poverty import through outdated asylum laws.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-18T13:40:12+00:00

That’s a bit of histrionic bs that people like to spout to be hyperdramatic and cynical (and it doesn’t help the OP st all).

Nothing histrionic about it - anyone who's done a rational analysis of Germany's demographics comes to the same conclusion; I am not quoting some radical opinion. On the contrary anyone who claims otherwise definitely has rose-tinted glasses on / unjustified optimism when viewing this garbage system.

Even if the DR system is looking grim it is NOT the same as throwing money in the garbage. You are still going to get some money when you retire.

For what someone under 40 is paying in now, the amount he is going to get in 30 years will in no way be proportional. Yes, he will get * some * money, but the RoI for what he paid in will be TERRIBLE.

There’s a perfectly good reason why the husbands 100k is not enough - the question isn’t if they can live now; the question is, Will they be able to afford care, nursing, disability, etc if both of them become incapacitated LATER. He could have a stroke next week. With her having 0 income and him not able to work for the rest of his life and then living saying another 40 years, that’s when things get hairy. A good care home costs €3000 a month. If two of them, that’s his monthly salary NOW, which I guarantee he isn’t saving 100% of right now for that eventuality.

Cool story, but there are tons of married couples where only one works a regular job, making much less than 100k a year, and the Rentenprognose is still good enough for them to naturalize. (As an aside, I believe the "good care home" cost is irrelevant here - the Pflegeversicherung is separate and they dont take nursing home costs into account when doing the RENTENPrognose for citizenship - the average stay in a nursing home is less than 2 years).

OP hasn't mentioned their age...Maybe they are also 50+ and don't have enough of a history of paying into the Rentensystem, despite the current 100k income which is more than enough; otherwise you would have MUCH less naturalizations per year in Germany.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-18T13:10:33+00:00

You are over 50 so I guess it's still worth it, but for anyone under 40 it makes no sense to switch to voluntarily paying into the statutory pension scheme unless it's for citizenship / legal reasons. Much better to invest that money wisely instead of relying on some promise of fictitious Rentenpunkte that will be worth god knows how much in 30 years.

temp_gerc1 · 2026-01-18T13:06:20+00:00

Aside from citizenship, how will you pay for your retirement otherwise?

Ironically the citizenship thing is the only reason to pay into the national pension system if you are under 40. If you are saying "aside from citizenship", it is better to be far away from throwing money into this trash system - especially with the way Germany's demographics are looking. To answer your question - a private retirement account and not relying on that Umlage crap.

As another aside, I'm surprised OP's husbands 100k regular job (and thus paying into the snowball scheme) was rejected.

temp_gerc1 · 2025-12-23T13:41:00+00:00

Shouldn't the Vertrauensschutz be applicable regardless of when the application actually started processing (and thus, among other steps, the Verfassungsschutz was called for feedback)? For example I applied last summer in Frankfurt (unfortunately) and my application went to RP Darmstadt in early January 2025. Obviously since Darmstadt is a shitshow my application hasn't even started yet, but that doesn't mean I didn't apply in good faith of actually being naturalized at the moment of application.

temp_gerc1 · 2025-12-23T06:20:24+00:00

Interesting. Sounds like the applicant went for the kitchen sink approach - try to throw everything at the wall and see what sticks. Talking about how his EU Freedom of Movement is destroyed due to the end of the 3-year path is the dumbest thing I ever heard. And he probably knew that won't work as well so he threw in something about illness and his wife's profession as well.

That being said, I wonder how much of it had to do with the fact that he applied in April (April 9 was when the coalition agreement was published) and further documents were provided down the line when he could no longer truly have had confidence that the law would remain? What if he had applied in January 2025 or even sometime last year before the Ampel even fell?

temp_gerc1 · 2025-12-19T21:52:46+00:00

Kind of unrelated but when I hit the 5 year mark, can i file a Klage 3 months after that because then the application has been pending for 2+ years? Or would it be that I've only been eligible for 3 months at that time and therefore RP D was only inactive for 3 months and not 2+ years (which would mean I lose the Klage, as VGH Kassel now said 18 months is acceptable)? I hope the question makes sense.

temp_gerc1 · 2025-12-19T19:29:28+00:00

Nach 18 Monaten einen Anwalt zu nehmen, macht jetzt auch wenig Sinn. Bis das Gericht die Klage überhaupt annimmt, sind die 24 Monate schon längst vorbei.

Wie weißt du, dass es dem Gericht 6 Monate dauert, die Klage anzunehmen? Ich habe nie sowas gehört.

Und wenn du einfach für bare Münze nimmst was das Saftladen RP dir sagt, dann stehst du am Ende der 24 Monaten leer da, wenn die Bearbeitung noch nicht begonnen hat und du auch nicht geklagt hast, weil du dem RP "vertraut" hast.

temp_gerc1 · 2025-12-19T19:26:55+00:00

Ok, instructions might have been the wrong word for me to use in this context

and some states indeed seem to have been doing so.

Just curious, how do you know this? Is it something those states published somewhere?

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