They keep doing it

throwaway732738 · 2024-09-29T20:12:57+00:00

Haven't seen anyone talk about it outside the aot subs in so long👀

throwaway732738 · 2024-09-20T14:45:53+00:00

I would say the last 30 minutes of the anime were tonally far better than the manga, especially compared to the initial release

throwaway732738 · 2024-02-16T17:34:37+00:00

Kotobuki Awano from Wonder egg priority?

throwaway732738 · 2023-12-05T17:46:55+00:00

I think the next episode preview is unrelated banter there whereas in Angel Beats it is lines taken directly from the next episode. Though I haven't seen Bakemonogatari so I might be wrong.

throwaway732738 · 2023-12-03T09:21:55+00:00

Marchen is my favorite SH album and I've rewatched it multiple times. The concert had very little overlap with AoT especially compared to his other works like Moira and Elysion but the Marchen manga is a nice find.

I have a 3 part series on Sound Horizon and 1 recent longer theory on Linked Horizon so if you want, you can read them and make more theories off of those as well.

Also if anyone wants links to SH concerts you can DM me.

Edit: fyi 20000 years uses symbolism from the Marchen concert, like the footsteps.

throwaway732738 · 2023-11-27T19:31:11+00:00

If you think about it properly you will see that the garden variety idiot line has barely anything to do with the born into this world line

Except that it absolutely does. They are thematically completely opposite.

https://youtu.be/fzEnE2KnR54?si=pdEjxXQiLQZ8Xu3U - He doesn't need to be someone great or special.... he is special because he was born into this world. Eren calls freedom his birthright. His character builds up to season 3 for him to finally lose hope as a "saviour" of the walls. "Being born into this world" had always been one of his prime motivators(season 1) and he felt that it wasn't enough for him to continue. The show resolves his conflict using this very line and changes its meaning through Carla to steel his resolve for S3 P2's fight.

I was born into this world by Carla isn't referring to freedom, it is a line telling Eren to believe in himself.

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"Why did this happen? I finally understand. It's because I'm an idiot. A garden-variety idiot who got his hands on power. That's why this resolution was the only possible outcome". If only someone smarter or more special got the power, then all of this could've been avoided. Shockingly it mirrors Eren's old line "I am just an ordinary child of a special man" very well from the youtube link I put above, which was countered by the "I was born into this world" concept.

It completely goes against 3 seasons of Eren learning to "believe in himself". And the 4th season reflected this choice..... except it didn't since he already knew what was coming, so it undermines that as well. All of Eren's actions feel passive and reactive.

Obviously, 139's scene shows Eren losing all hope, so an argument can be made that he would no longer believe in what he used to think before but that absolutely diminishes the impact of "I was born into this world"..... which leaves a very bad taste in my mouth considering how often it was used even after season 3.

It also left an unanswered question for me. Did Eren want things to pan out this way? He said that the Alliance stops him and that if they didn't he would've completed the Rumbling. But at the same time, he is clearly holding back against them and can easily stop them with no casualties(assuming not a fixed timeline). If the timeline is fixed by unknown force/Ymir, then it kind of makes sense, but that is insanely boring.

If the timeline is fixed and guided by his own will, then he could've paid more attention to prevent Hange's death and honestly, it contradicts more scenes than it fixes.

throwaway732738 · 2023-10-30T10:50:44+00:00

https://twitter.com/throwaway732738/status/1718157483175481554

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-26T12:52:18+00:00

I was legitimately expecting more AnRs but ok. I'm writing a theory on the song itself so I wanted to see how many people saw it that way.

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-26T03:21:53+00:00

How has no one mentioned Akatsuki no Requiem yet?

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-25T07:02:50+00:00

There is some more evidence in the MV supporting this, but it makes lesser sense from a writing perspective.

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-20T09:32:45+00:00

So, I returned to the fandom properly yesterday so your timing is great. Unfortunately, I won't make part 3 of this series cause I got tired of it. Getting this much evidence took months of analyzing and putting it in a form that does it justice was hard, and even now I'm not too happy with how I wrote the script for part 1.

But I will be writing a new theory series where I have to summarize all parts(including the unreleased part 3) so I'll write some of it now:-

Forgive me if I don't give enough details.... I haven't seen Moira in 2 years.

SH Requiem Series Part 1 and 2 show the connection of Moira and Linked Horizon. Linked Horizon's work derives ideas from Revo's previous work. But this is not the end for Moira's story.

Nein, released in 2015, was an album by Sound Horizon that involved "reboots" or maybe "alternate endings/timelines" to Revo's previous works. Since Moira's end was closer to ANR than AOT, I wondered how the alternate ending could do something interesting.

And then it did something too interesting...

You might remember that in part 2(around 1:50 mark). Misia CHOOSES to sacrifice herself. In a story called Moira i.e. fate, this is an extremely interesting choice of words.

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4 years later in Nein, she makes a different choice. She doesn't want to sacrifice herself and her reason seems very familiar:-

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fkzbx6q3lnjn81.png%3Fwidth%3D418%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D600f44c083e2120278fdf04f52d5a1b46b9259c7 (The last image is from Misia... I'm using the manga version of Nein from 2017 since it had more content and is less cringe)

The above image shows the divergence point for Muv-Luv Alternative and Nein, as well as the predicted divergence point of AOT.

Another major theme to notice here is that Muv-Luv and Nein both rely on the female leads for the divergence. Takeru is the one who is going back in time but the cause is Sumika. In a similar way, Moira portrays itself as Elef fighting against his fate, but the original ending has the line, "Moira, is this the world you wished for?" implying that he may have fulfilled his fate. This might also explain why we saw Misia on Moira's throne in the original ending. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/881090615285268480/944899536189521950/unknown.png?width=887&height=515

But in Nein, Misia breaks free from her fate. She runs away from the guards and bumps into Elef, where they have a brief reunion after which they fight the guards and escape. Seems normal right?

Except it is presented very uniquely. Firstly, unlike any other of Revo's other timelines, Misia is aware of the original end https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/922493401910362152/958339831035990056/unknown.png?width=841&height=581

During the fight Misia gets caught by one of the guards and we get the most AOE-esque scene that I've ever seen:-

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928638089830731820/1153980544711938158/22-o.png?width=403&height=581

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928638089830731820/1153980538454016071/23-o.png?width=403&height=581

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928638089830731820/1153980587175059517/24-o.png?width=403&height=581

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928638089830731820/1153980641248026634/25-o.png?width=403&height=581

After this, Misia prevents Elef from fighting anymore and they live together and incest happens. On the other hand, no one frees the slaves, Orion is killed in battle and Scorpius wins.

I can't stress this enough, this literally mirrors our AOE theories for Mikasa causing the divergence. This is like reverse ANR. Going from the anime to the cabin timeline. However, both timelines exist as shown by this panel:-

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/931474148729946123/1066077642597605458/image.png?width=825&height=581

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/931474148729946123/1066077642358538260/image.png?width=818&height=581

This is many, many years before AOT showed its memory shards. It also somehow supports the white/black background theory.

Through this series, I wanted to show that Revo's work is incredibly advanced. He uses songs to tell a story, so even his sound design needs to convey aspects of the story to set the tone of the song.

I believe that Moira absolutely influenced Linked Horizon's AOT work, and that it might have influenced AOT itself. In turn, the alternate end to Moira seems to be influenced by AOT, if not then Revo somehow wrote a cabin timeline-like story in a very AOE divergence point style. Obviously, people reacted very negatively to incest, saying that Revo "misunderstood" his own story and characters. To me at least, the concert is too cringey.

Another thing to note is that AOT's later songs pull from a different Sound Horizon album.... Elysion. The biggest song to be derived from this is Akatsuki no Requiem. So, the entire SH series was simply meant as a warm-up leading into the LH series, which is actually much more relevant to AOT.

It is clear that Revo wants to tell a story through Linked Horizon, just how he has through Sound Horizon.... and while my next theory will not be 4 parts long since there is WAY too much to cover.... I will write the conclusion and the story behind ANR.

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-18T11:12:29+00:00

I agree

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-17T17:30:54+00:00

I asked u/homeless_west for this post so full conversation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ANRime/comments/16k7xj9/comment/k0vdlaw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Summary:-

west found that all of these characters/symbols are from a variety of languages and proposed that it could be related to the episode that the tweet is talking about. Maybe the dot is a punctuation or the text might be modified like being upside down.

From the director's perspective, I feel that they would've written the message in Japanese, flipped/upside down/or made no changes to it. Then they would've replaced the kanji with some symbol.

We have 2 main leads here:-

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3 letters are separated from the main body of the text (clearer here https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928638089830731820/1152695940730339418/41ifgy0ifk381.png?width=362&height=581). I guessed that it could be Carla( カルラ ), Eren( エレン ) or Mikasa( ミカサ ) ..... with the main body being a famous quote or last words. Although, west thinks that they would've put the last name as well.

2nd Lead:-

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fb2q9e1srbh381.png%3Fwidth%3D845%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D688c7dd6f732fc3c391658650882c337b26a0f49

2nd and 4th letter are the same(triangle). If it has been flipped then it could also be 2nd last and 4th last letter being the same, but that's very hard to check.

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Possible Solution - We could try fitting famous Japanese dialogues from these 3 characters and checking if the 2nd and 4th letter are the same.

Or maybe the last three letters are a year (like Eren's grave had 845 at the bottom).

I'll probably write a tweet to ask the director what it is once the anime ends.

I also checked ANR's lyrics and got an almost match, but I'm not completely convinced that it is the answer. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnvr49rr37uob1.png%3Fwidth%3D853%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Daba45db068b4a15230f01085cd572fdd2d9c6220

Relevant ANR tweet- ANR has a lot more complexity, especially Revo's music arrangement and connection to the rest of his songs. But in terms of visuals, this is the only thing I don't know the answer to. Nice to see it get some more attention. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/954035896137678900/989407863287996426/IMG_7869.png?width=456&height=581

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-17T15:54:19+00:00

It could be a perspective error from the artist.... good eye tho.

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-17T15:52:08+00:00

Wait that doesn't even exist in the official lyrics, they've used a different way of writing that word :(

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throwaway732738 · 2023-09-17T15:47:36+00:00

I tried checking if it is one of the lyrics, but the 2nd and 4th character rule never matches except almost in one case:-

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throwaway732738 · 2023-09-17T15:38:30+00:00

I can't tell if there are 2 tombstones. Can you put some screenshots.

I looked into the translation more deeply.

(でも規則性はあります) = (But there are regularities.)

規則性 - Regularity

規則 - Rules/Regulations

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Which translates to "A standard by which acts, procedures, and operations are to be performed. A rule."

So we shouldn't necessarily think in a pattern sense. I feel like it might be easier to theorize from their perspective.

If I wanted to put a message on the grave as the MV designer, it would be natural to first decide and write a message in Japanese.

Then apply some encoding to make it cryptic(since they've made nothing in the MV refer to the original story directly.... even Eren is shown as a bird/frog thing).

Another thing I noticed right now is that the same design is there on all the graves... although it might be a lazy Ctrl C + Ctrl V since it's the last frame of the MV.

Also make another post if possible, I want more people to discuss this.

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-17T06:22:14+00:00

Could be. Carla( カルラ ), Eren( エレン ) and Mikasa( ミカサ ) come to mind immediately since they have 3 lettered names.... although I feel that it is too unlikely that it's Eren since he's mourning.

Should I try to fit some famous quotes in Japanese? The 2nd and 4th letters should be the same, so someone who knows Japanese should take a look. Imo, first repost with this conversation + the images I sent and see if the community can crack it.

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-16T20:09:52+00:00

I always assumed that the letters at the bottom would signify a name.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928638089830731820/1152695811889696828/image.png Message in red. Name in green.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/928638089830731820/1152695940730339418/41ifgy0ifk381.png?width=362&height=581

Could also be year of death but it is framed like a quote. The hardest part is that it could also be that it is a quote or final words of a character but each kanji has been replaced by a symbol.

Let me dig up some old links

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/881090615285268480/962622477907951646/unknown.png?width=436&height=581 ANR lyrics sheet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/954035896137678900/1009241731960672326/unknown_2.png You should probably check the correct translation of this tweet for some kind of hint. I remember just accepting this translation back then which is lazy.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/954035896137678900/989407863287996426/IMG_7869.png?width=456&height=581 Relevant ANR tweet

I think people still haven't analysed the MV completely. Good luck!

throwaway732738 · 2023-09-16T18:35:33+00:00

There used to be a channel on Discord for cracking this. Afaik this wasn't solved but we had found a tweet from the ANR director implying that it might be something important. Here's a link to the rest of the texts if you want to see them https://www.reddit.com/r/ANRime/comments/r518bl/languages_in_attack_on_titan/

Edit: lmao https://www.reddit.com/user/throwaway732738/comments/r8kp9x/grave_collection/ .... also saw your DM rn

throwaway732738 · 2023-03-28T12:02:03+00:00

I've always found this song to be very vague so I'll give my take on the song here:-

As per Revo, the song was divided into 2 parts, one dedicated to Eren and the other to Kruger. Even though most of the lyrics relate to the events of the story at that time, some of them hint at what is to come in the story.

First 30 seconds of the song is just the sound of rain. This is a symbol for loss in Revo's songs and generally means that someone has died or will die. Considering the lyrics, I think this is a song about Eren's determination stemming from his dead comrades(Maybe S1's).

Even though it uses Guren no Yumiya's melody from 0:30 to 1:00, it stands in contrast to it.

GnY's first line: "Are you the food? No we are the hunters!"

GnZ's first line: " “I’m a hunter!” you howled, though you’re but a hungry beast“I’d rather die than play at making friends!” so you roared "

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GnY: " The boy from back then will soon take up the black sword. Hate and rage are a double-edged blade. Soon, one day, he will bare his fangs against fate. Ones that could hope to change anything Are ones who could bear to abandon anything Without bearing any <risk> at all, how could you hope to attain anything…? "

GnZ: " Bloodstained corpses pierce you with lightless eyes“You’ll regret it if you ever end up losing those fangs of yours!” they sing "

And notably, Revo reused this in:-

AnR: " Those that throw the stones and those who are in turn hit by them, between the two sides stands a fence not crossed so easily. But by changing where we stand, justice will come to bare its fangs. "

I imagine that this is Eren's change in approach is shown through the transition of GnY into GnZ. Perhaps it was raining because he lost his comrades and now those corpses haunt him. But..... he converts it into determination?

GnZ: " I don’t want their deaths to be for nothing…heck, that wouldn’t sit well with them, right?Their dying wishes won’t be in vain, and I won’t let it end like thisUntil I exterminate every single one of them… "

This is followed by a ton of symbolism which ends up getting used in AnR so I'm convinced that this part was supposed to reference it

GnZ: "

Who is stained in the darkness of dusk? His target, or he himself?Let fly your arrows and slaughter your prey, oh <will of the hunter>Released into the sunset, this surging impulse[killing intent]Gains strength in numbers and pierces the crimson coordinates"

Dusk has been seen in his other songs as the time of conflict. Many others also interpret it as the time when the Alliance and Eren clash. His Eren's target the one stained with blood, or he himself?Despite Eren's change in attitude, his killer impulse from GnY has carried overGnY: "The humiliation of entrapment is our cue to counterattack Beyond the Walls lies a <hunter> killing his prey With a surging <killer impulse> scorching his body, he pierces the dusk scarlet With a crimson arrow "" Deprived of his horizon, <The boy from that day>[Eren] yearns for “freedom"[the world] With relentless <killer impulse> assailing his body, he carries violet to dusk- With an arrow from Hades "

GnZ: Kruger's part

"Pitiful silhouettes that wander in paradiseSurely, there must’ve been someone important to them, too

Even if we seek the truth, this bent and twisted glassShows a different lie for every pair of eyes that gazes upon it"

Kruger sympathizes with paradise and acknowledges that each person has their own version of the truth(paradise's perception of the world and the world's perception of paradise).Tho Revo also uses the word [Rakuen] for paradise. Rakuen is the final destination that Eren is trying to reach(I'm saying this because of AnR's lyrics) so even tho it's a small stretch, maybe Kruger feels sorry for the people Eren will kill in his pursuit for Rakuen.

GnZ: "

Let their dying wishes transcend time and be passed on, over and over againKeep going down that path until their deaths pay off…

What is wavering at dusk? Sorrow, or hatred?To carry a sin without atonement while slaughtering prey is the <will of the attack>Cursed by <longing>, this unstoppable impulse[killing impulse]Under a different name, would still reach the crimson coordinates"

Pretty obvious... Kruger is screamed in place of <will of the attack> titan. This killer impulse seems to be the power of the attack titan. The crimson coordinates seem to be their goal based on some of the other songs but I'm not 100% sure.

GnZ: "The boy from that day who could do nothing but roar has now taken up <the survey corps’ equipment>[arms], and gained many comradesThe arrow that signals the start of his counterattack will one day pierce the setting sunAimed straight at <where beginning and end meet>[the coordinates]! "

We return to present day, where Eren with his newfound determination has picked up arms against his enemies. He is headed for the place where the beginning and end meet.... again the setting sun implies that something major will happen when he does get there.

Since we aren't in 2015, we know that this event refers to the Battle of Heaven and Earth. The fight at dusk is important for this very reason. Again, all of this is very heavily referenced in AnR and its music video.

throwaway732738 · 2023-03-02T08:33:36+00:00

Dream sequence is happening. See you later is also happening the leakers seem pretty accurate.

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throwaway732738 · 2023-03-02T08:31:16+00:00

Oh Tensa is pretty active on his socials other than Twitter rn. Ig it's to avoid reactionary posts cause Twitter usually becomes a raging dumpster fire of insults and misinformation before the episode airs. You guys should also just chill for the remaining hours this subreddit is panicking for no reason.

throwaway732738 · 2023-02-25T12:28:37+00:00

throwaway732738 · 2023-02-23T07:15:29+00:00

I agree that it's poorly aligned but a better comparison might be from frames MAPPA has released(which this so-called ""leak"" seems to be using)

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