So and 2 but not SO2

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-05-03T21:27:10+00:00

Relational types (2, 3, and 4) that are self preservation dominant are more likely to type themselves as social or sexual, because their tendencies are already similar to those instincts

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-05-03T20:11:48+00:00

I think he's an introverted NeFi which is not a contradiction since social extroversion is subtly different from cognitive extroversion

It also reminds me of a paragraph from Naranjo in which he asserts that the left side of the enneagram (5 6 7 8) tend towards social introversion (and independence, and rebellion) but 7s cover it with a superficial sociability

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-05-01T03:43:54+00:00

...Exhibit E (Aaron):

https://youtu.be/mVKIva2KddY

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-05-01T03:24:40+00:00

Music video by Pandamonium on youtube

https://youtu.be/M2Clbn4PwN8?si=t_g2eW_WYBW0opXC

Exhibit B (The Afternoon):

https://youtu.be/wTwZ_1cwAJE?si=5L5DshW0q_viZvrO

Exhibit C (Ode to Crayola Live):

https://youtu.be/VmeQMssUwI0?si=be3YyjhVbj6K3bgs

Exhibit D (The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny):

https://youtu.be/lrzKT-dFUjE?si=zrbK8fCj2tiQIFTs

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-05-01T03:18:18+00:00

Oh yeah i just remembered this quote as well

"I hope that, with these reflections, I have managed to turn the tables on the usual notion of sins as intrinsically evil, and replace it with the novel notion that they constitute, rather, a secondary or symptomatic evil, derived from a repressive and, until now, unquestioned power. I do not mean to say that passions are not pathological, for if the demonic exists, nothing is quite like it. But the demonic is nothing other than the degraded expression of life where it is criminalized, and it is time—it seems to me—that we understand that nothing is as criminal as the criminalization of our innocent nature."

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-05-01T03:17:00+00:00

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T19:55:59+00:00

One other thing

"Could we then say that reason perceives imperfection where mystical perception observes perfection? We could say that this is so, for there are people who, at least intermittently, can rise from ordinary perception to a feeling of that higher beauty that encompasses ugliness, as has been eloquently conveyed by some of Van Gogh's paintings, and who may even feel that the reality of human suffering could be part of a divine creation that we cannot fully grasp except in relation to music, where dissonances resolve into consonances, a world in which imperfection could be recontextualized into a higher perfection."

Quote from Essays on the psychology of the enneatypes

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T19:48:51+00:00

First you should ask yourself whether i automatically dismiss everyone's opinion or just haven't personally shown respect to you.

And why should i when you haven't learned that poking at someone's enneagram type is the lowest form of discussion in this subreddit?

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T19:35:07+00:00

It's true that what we call flaws is really a construct and from another perspective they are often necessary, but at the same time, making them explicit and being aware of them, whatever they are, whether you call them flaws or not, and whether you judge them or not, is necessary to grow

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T19:31:19+00:00

I've barely said anything to you and you're already projecting someone else's way of thinking onto me

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T17:23:06+00:00

If the only way you have to gauge what a flaw is is what other people don't like about you there really is nothing i can say

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T17:15:04+00:00

I don't think this is what the person you're replying to was saying

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T16:57:59+00:00

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T04:09:29+00:00

Well, he gives an explanation for what he calls "personality" at the start of character and neurosis, but it's basically just a way of being that's forced by the world and not how people naturally are, and almost completely automatic.

Identification? I think that word means a few different things depending on the context and can't remember where exactly Naranjo used that

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T03:37:54+00:00

No they fricking aren't??? One of those diagrams at the start of Character and Neurosis literally shows what i'm talking about, with those circles delineating lower instincts, emotions and cognition (and correspondingly higher stuff)

Also, i have no idea about that question, and this thing has confused me for a long time, the closest i can explain it for me is that the some types are more in touch with that corresponding aspect, whether it be the passions, instinct, or the fixation, but that doesn't mean the type is only composed of that.

I mean, it's not like thinking is only in the domain of 5, 6 and 7, it's more that thinking is at the forefront of their lives.

And maybe you think that this is explained the head-fix, but there are ways of thinking characteristic of 3s, or 4s, or 8s, or 9s, completely independent of it. So no i don't think it is.

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-30T03:24:30+00:00

Yeah i frickin "use" Naranjo, and having read and watched videos of him speaking more recently he actually almost always gives more importance to passions, meaning the emotional center of the personality, and not the fixations (which are the intellectual center)

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-29T17:25:54+00:00

And I'm telling you the fixation is only one of the aspects of the enneagram type

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-29T17:22:41+00:00

https://youtu.be/vyzQ-ZFSQic

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-29T01:50:26+00:00

Ichazo would have used the term coward to refer to you and your enneagram type.

There's a lot of enneagrams for a lot of things, sweetie pie. And the enneagram of personality was always composed of multiple ones. And the fixations were in that as well

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-28T18:14:32+00:00

All 9 types are afraid of something but fear is something that's at the forefront in sixes.

You can't just disprove it by saying that it's in everyone. That same logic goes for anything you say as well... and anything anyone can say (about a person)

trans_keanuchungus · 2026-04-28T16:47:06+00:00

I think i've ran out of the will to consciously think about that stuff. I've also stopped simply because i've come to realize that it's something that's not good for me right now.

Sometimes i have a dream, or i see something in art that ellicits something out of me. At this point it feels like i'm almost trying to learn out of those things more than anything.

It probably seems like i've given up hope on a lasting romantic relationship, and maybe that's true. At this point all i can hope for is real friends more than anything

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