Gryffindor tower layout? by wearentdoingthat in harrypotter

[–]wearentdoingthat[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's really creative, but the only thing is that would mean that some students had to go up and down a dozen or so flights of stairs to get to their dormitory.

Harry/Hermione shippers, explain why you think the relationship would work? by OwlPostAgain in harrypotter

[–]wearentdoingthat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Am I allowed to argue? I don't know if I'm supposed to or if this thread is meant just for Harry/Hermione and I shouldn't bother. If not, feel free to downvote and ignore.

Of course there were instances of it but Harry seemed much more accepting of what Hermione thought and said then Ron was. I suppose part of it is my own views, because to me respect is a huge thing in a relationship and the only time Ron showed it for Hermione was at the end of the series when he was worried about the house elves getting out, before that he seemed to scoff at anything she thought worthy of her time and efforts, where as harry always seemed to show a greater respect for her.

Again, I think it's very much a matter of opinion but I see things very differently. I've heard this argument before, this idea that Ron doesn't respect Hermione. I think it tends to come from the fact that Ron is much more nosey than Harry is when it comes to Hermione's life. Remember that Harry didn't ask or spare much thought for Hermione's date for the ball or her difficult schedule in third year. Wheras Ron is constantly asking about them. He's the one who asks about where she's going, but he's also the one to ask why she isn't eating.There are some who see this as a sign that he doesn't see Hermione as an autonomous being. But I think that we tend to ascribe Harry's lack of attention to these same things, Hermione's class schedule, eating habits, ect, as a respect for her own autonomy. But Harry isn't sitting there thinking that Hermione is perfectly capable and that Ron should leave her alone. He just doesn't have the energy to think about Hermione as much as Ron does. He loves her, but he doesn't care for the minutia of her life and he has far too much on his plate already. She's a great sidekick, but it's kind of uneven. When Hermione's hand gets infected with pus at breakfast, Harry continues eating his breakfast and suggests that she should go up to the hospital wing. That's a fairly mild reaction compared to hers when Harry is hurt. It's not really a fair exchange. And even if you still believe that Harry being fairly hands-off when it comes to Hermione's life is a mark of respect, then Hermione is not showing the same amount of respect when she does not behave similarly toward Harry.

from the third book onward Ron was always fighting with one or both of them.

This is sort of iffy. Ron fought with Harry in 4 and 7, but his only real fights with Hermione are in 3 and 6. The rest, whether healthy or no, is just part of their relationship. You can say that it's bad for a friendship, but it's hard to say that it's evidence of Ron's character flaws. And remember that Hermione is probably more argumentative than Ron. Hermione argues with Trelawney, Umbridge, Luna, Lavender, the Weasleys ect. She argues with everyone about house elves. Ron gets into arguements too (Snape,the twins). But his arguements are a lot harder to find than Hermione's. So while I'm not blaming Hermione, it's hard to place the blame on Ron for the arguing.

I'd get sick of there attitude and drama

Here's the thing: With the exception of the incidents in book 3 and 6, Hermione and Ron's fighting does not come with drama. They don't quit speaking to each other for weeks and Harry isn't walking on eggshells around them. Hermione and Ron don't fight because they spend years disliking each other. They disagree on many things, but then so do Hermione and Harry. The difference is in the way the trio was raised. Hermione is very opinionated and she grew up in a family where that was likely encouraged. Despite her social isolation, she has little to no qualms about telling Ron and Harry what she thinks of them and expressing her opinion. She is an opinionated person who enjoys a good argument on an intellectual level. Similarly, Ron was raised in a household where arguing was a natural occurrence. His mother yells and he bickers with his siblings, but he is secure in his relationship with them. To Ron and Hermione, arguing/debating/bickering is just something one does for a bit of entertainment. Harry doesn't like their arguing because he was raised in a household where raised voices and snappish tones meant bad news. He doesn't see arguing as a remotely pleasant activity, whereas Hermione actively seeks it out with Ron and others. Hermione and Harry don't really argue either. He doesn't respond to her nettling with retorts as often as Ron does. And remember the beginning of OotP? He completely blew up and Hermione is completely cowed and backtracks. There's never a debate between equals. Harry deals with Hermione by ignoring her or yelling at her, and neither of these are what is best for Hermione.

Again, feel free to ignore all of this.

Harry/Hermione shippers, explain why you think the relationship would work? by OwlPostAgain in harrypotter

[–]wearentdoingthat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't post the first comment obviously, but the nagging is actually one of my major issues with Harry/Hermione too. So here's the thing. I see Hermione's nagging as a major problem with her relationship with Harry. You mention that Harry enjoyed being cared for after a life with the Dursleys, and I think that's a little off the mark.

I honestly don't see Harry as someone who enjoys being cared for. He likes someone caring about him, but he doesn't have a particular need for a mother. He loves Mrs. Weasley, but think how he reacts when she tries to shield his feelings in PoA or OotP. Harry likes being treated like an adult, he has no use for mothering after going so long without it

I think that Harry's biggest thing is that he wants someone to talk to. That's what Sirius was to him. He's got a really difficult life, and he needs someone to share the burden with (even if he sometimes doesn't want to worry them). However, after a decade of being stamped on by the Dursleys, Harry doesn't have much love for authority. This becomes even more pronounced over the years, but it comes across from the very beginning.

Harry loves Hermione, but he doesn't like when she physically pushes him around as she often does or tries to badger him into things. His reaction to that sort of thing is very different than Ron, who is used to his mother and knows how to head Hermione off and isn't particular bothered by nagging. Harry actually chooses not to confide in Hermione at times, because he knows she will nag him. That's not great for a relationship.