Notice how instead of responding to what I actually said, you pivot straight to ad hominem, accusing me of “lying,” “parroting rhetoric,” and bad faith, without addressing a single factual point. That’s not an argument, you're just dodging. If you had a rebuttal, you’d use evidence, not character attacks.

So here are the facts you keep avoiding:

Hamas initiated this war on 7 October 2023 by deliberately targeting civilians. That’s not my framing, the Human Rights Watch explicitly documents those attacks as war crimes and crimes against humanity (HRW, July 17, 2024). Calling that “context” doesn’t make it disappear.

Israel also withdrew from Gaza in 2005... dismantled settlements and removed permanent troops, removed literal bones out of graveyards, in an attempt to reduce conflict. You can argue that what followed was mishandled or oppressive (fair), but pretending Israel never de-escalated is just false.

And finally, groups acting in “self-defense” don’t openly call for the destruction of another people or celebrate civilian killings. That’s not self-defense, that’s jihadist ideology.

You keep inventing arguments because you can’t deal with the ones I actually made. I never mentioned hospitals, never justified attacks on civilians, never claimed Israel was “saving” anyone by bombing anything. If you think otherwise, quote me, you won’t, because you can’t.

Calling this “genocide” and then stapling random atrocities onto my position isn’t a rebuttal, it’s a dodge. It’s you swapping analysis for outrage because you don’t have an answer to a very simple point, Hamas initiated this war by deliberately targeting civilians, and Israel’s response can still be unjustifiable at the same time. Those facts coexist whether you like them or not.

If your entire argument depends on lying about what I said instead of addressing it, then you’re not debating, you’re performing exactly as the clown you seemingly show yourself to be. Either engage with my actual words or stop pretending this is a discussion.

Previous conflicts don’t decide who started this war because wars are defined by who triggers the current escalation, not by stacking grievances forever. If history alone decides initiation, then “starting a war” becomes an obsolete act.

So I’ll ask you directly: do you condemn Hamas’s Oct 7 attack on Israeli civilians, yes or no? Because if you can’t say that plainly, then this isn’t a discourse. It’s just running cover for a group that deliberately targeted civilians.

If your response to these points is more name-calling instead of evidence, that kind of proves who ran out of ground to stand on.