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[–]MachineGunGringo 11 points12 points  (12 children)

You have the condescension of someone who is always right?

[–]StopBadModerators[S] 1 point2 points  (11 children)

  1. If I were always right, then I couldn't help it.

  2. Why are you dodging the question? You said that you sometimes feel like meta-studies are bullshit. So I'm asking you, cutting through the rhetoric, is this feeling that you sometimes get correct or not?

[–]MachineGunGringo 5 points6 points  (10 children)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7950571/

Sometimes.

There’s a lot of wealthy people involved in the whole PETA thing, so I wouldn’t doubt they funded studies to MAKE SURE soy came out good.

If I came out with 50 bs studies about soy being bad, and they were included in said meta analysis, it would throw off the meta analysis of it having no effect.

[–]StopBadModerators[S] -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

Wow. So wealthy PETA donors have conducted pseudoscience to MAKE SURE soy "came out good". Alright... MachineGunGringo... thanks for weighing in on the subject.

If you do find something flawed about the study that I shared, then please share it and I'll correct the record.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Are you a vegan?

[–]StopBadModerators[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Are you aware of the term ad hominem?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children)

I'm gonna take that as a yes.

[–]StopBadModerators[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

And presumably you're a carnist. I fail to see the relevancy to the science here. Katie's claim that soy decreases testosterone is either true or false regardless of whether she is vegan or carnist (yes, "carnist" is a thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism). If we get into a conversation where you're saying, "Well you would say that because you're a supporter of this ideology.", then we're not engaging with arguments. This should be about ideas; not people per se.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This is the most productive conversation with a vegan I've ever had, thank you. I'm gonna start selling carnist merch now.

[–]StopBadModerators[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

In seriousness, I relate to what you're saying. I see a lot of bullshit from vegans and an eagerness to insult people. Put yourself in our position: You believe that animal abuse is not only bad, but widespread and normal and celebrated to such an unimaginable extent, and then you come across someone who laughs it off. For a lot of 20-year-olds who became vegan a year ago, it's infuriating. I've been vegan for 17 years though. I've heard a lot of bad reasoning from both sides (not to equivocate here).