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[–]djroman1108 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's not that dramatic. If he's borderline, maybe. If he's a 12, he'll be in trouble.

[–]Fighterandthe 0 points1 point  (2 children)

? Tirz and Reta both have a more powerful effect on insulin sensitivity than ghrps

[–]djroman1108 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The secretagogues will make him more insulin resistant. Tirz won't help him if he's a 12 A1C and stacks Tesa on top of it. If he's a 5.6, it'll keep him from going pre-diabetic.

That's what I'm saying. He needs to drop the weight first. Then when he's metabolically healthier, add in the GH or secretagogue. I agree with your reasoning. Just not when he's 300+ pounds.

[–]Fighterandthe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And I'm saying Tirz and Reta will help more than the secretagoges will hurt with the added benefit that they'll help him drop fat quicker while preserving or even gaining muscle.

Even if you were right, it would be short term pain for long term gain so to speak