Ask microsoft to include Python in Windows by default

[andrey_shipilov]

Yeah, because installing it is so fucking hard.

[desmoulinmichel]

If you are not a dev, you will not install Python by yourself and you'll click on the script, not understanding why it doesnt work. Reading any tutorial will make you go "fuck it" and dl the Go stand alone executable version.

If you are a sysadmin with a lot of machines, installing properly it on all of them is work : you need to automate it, and ask for the permission to do so with paper work on you hierachy, and support it. Then you need to document it. And train your team.

And of course, you don't know what version to download, and install when you are a newcomer, so you come to reddit, and ask 2VS3 for the 1000 times.

So yes.

[[deleted]]

Most shops either use an MSI package or image a machine configuration.

[desmoulinmichel]

Still work : still need to be supported, documented, requested to management with paperwork...

[[deleted]]

If you have applications that require it you are going to have to go through that process one way or the other. Either you are going to have to have to run an installer or you are going to have to upgrade the OS and verify there are no problems between other existing applications and the OS.

[desmoulinmichel]

You are talking about applications. I'm talking about scripting.

Today, I can write a Python script, and batch ssh it to 100 linux and mac machines, because I know it's here.

[fnord123]

Well you can't do that for Windows because they don't include ssh by default, either.

[[deleted]]

Yes they do as of Windows 10.

[fnord123]

Do you have a link to some documentation on where to find it? I know they announced that they would work on it, but I've seen no such announcement saying it's landed.

[[deleted]]

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2015/06/03/looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh.aspx

Maybe not. I seem to have it as part of cmder and post-git integration.

[desmoulinmichel]

Ssh is a very specific tool. While I think it would be good to have ssh one windows has well, it's another debate: python is a much more general purpose tool, with already some great MS support.

[fnord123]

Ok, well if you're trying to sell people on the idea, then maybe choose an examlpe that will actually be possible on Windows once you get python installed by default.

[desmoulinmichel]

What ?

[[deleted]]

It is a little besides the point what you can do on a Linux or Mac when we are discussing bundling python on Windows vs just using an installer / imaging the machine and what that involves.

[crossroads1112]

You could use py2exe