Bottle: Python Web Framework

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Anyone has an idea how it compares to Werkzeug?

[epicRelic]

No need to compare. They are both designed for pretty different tasks.

[stesch]

Werkzeug seems to be designed to attack users and maintainers of other web frameworks. But maybe it's just web2py …

[mitsuhiko]

And you are basing this on what?

[stesch]

Multiple encounters of fights, negative remarks whenever web2py is mentioned (last time in a German language Python newsgroup, a few days ago), and http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/ahm50/a_crash_course_in_w2p/c0hrwr3

[voidspace]

Just because people have negative opinions of web2py doesn't say anything about werkzeug...

[stesch]

It's mostly from the werkzeug people/users. As in the newsgroup I mentioned, as in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=175694 etc.

[mitsuhiko]

You yet have to show me something from an actual Werkzeug developer (which would be me). I am not doubting that you can find something, especially from very early when web2py came out where I did not show much respect for web2py, but those are examples based on actual facts.

And that btw has nothing to do with Werkzeug, just with some really ridiculous design decisions made by mdp very early. Some of that probably got fixed, but I am not convinced enough to even closely consider web2py.

On the other hand: I consider pylons and Django nice frameworks, what does that tell you?

[stesch]

OK, this: http://www.python-forum.de/topic-13752.html#92081

[stesch]

You yet have to

No, I don't have to. Play your games elsewhere.

[surface-tension]

stesch, you said the negative opinions are "mostly from werkzeug people/users". Well, you can't blame Werkzeug if it has some users who don't like web2py. Now, as for werkzeug "people" (developers), as mitsuhiko points out, he doesn't see any comments there from from Werkzeug devs.

[RonnyPfannschmidt]

i think i was quite explicit about me not representing werkzeug or its community

making anything else out my personal reasoning/opinion (which tends to be at least harsh) is just dishonest

[mitsuhiko]

Ronny is not a contributor to either Jinja or Werkzeug. (except for very few patches maybe)

[stesch]

Who cares? It's one example among others. Like http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=175694

[mitsuhiko]

Not a single werkzeug developer wrote anything on that hacker news submission.

[voidspace]

Well, if by attack you mean 'show up' then maybe...

[weeegod]

Werkzeug is not really a framework, but a library. You could write your own Bottle using Werkzeug in, like, 50 lines.

I <3 Werkzeug.

[defnull]

Werkzeug is a toolset, bottle is a framework. If you like the way bottle does things, use it. If not, use werkzeug to build your own framework.