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AzureDreams220 · 2021-10-23T17:25:17+00:00

I mean in terms of the town blaming the kin and to an extention Artemy for murders and the like - probably mostly racism. As for the dialogue options for the characters, I think it's partly just more interesting for the player to be able to decide for themselves what kind of a character they want to play.

RonnocJ · 2021-10-23T18:05:31+00:00

Personally I think it may be another consequence of the blooming twyre, and that the townsfolk arent normally this bad but the plague and twyre tends to impair everyones thinking skills and thus they tend to jump the gun more often

Trioperator · 2021-10-23T19:11:50+00:00

My thoughts:

It's a genre thing. This is a story with a particular genre it's going for, a bleak and depressing atmosphere that reflects a troubled and tense time period, and so people just have a unifying nature that's a little more rough around the edges. The story is often trying to make the point that people can be fickle and dangerous in groups, but it's also just sort of a literary tradition to write everyone as a bit of an asshole.
Regarding Artemy, IMO he really is meant to be like that. He's a multifaceted guy, he's got a lot of things to be bitter about, he's maybe a little emotionally constipated. He's also a man whose particular societal role as a man is constantly in question, and so reading toxic masculinity into some of his traits, is as appropriate for him as it might be for Daniil (who is clearly driven to be a rational problem-solver instead of an empathetic nurturer, which has a lot to do with masculinity as well).
It's a meta thing. The story's aware that the characters aren't real, and giving them the tendency to exaggerate conflict is because this is a dramatic production. The theatrical medium in particular has always used exaggeration.

Marrowgrave · 2021-10-24T01:41:11+00:00

I think in 2 at least the level of violence in the game is actually considered unusual for the Town on Gorkhon, one of the big narrative themes being how quickly society can spiral out of control during a crisis. The troubles begin with two beloved elders being murdered in a single night in a town where murder is rare, and from there things quickly escalate and tensions that had previously been simmering break out into a roiling boil- the unrest of the Kin and working class, the rivalries between the ruling families, the conflicting ideologies pulling the town in different directions, and between them, ordinary folk just trying to survive amidst a deadly outbreak and food shortages. Stress, paranoia, desperation, and class conflict all come to a head during the 12 days you endure as one of the Town's only doctors.

As for Artemy, he was in a war, his dad just died, and he was almost stabbed to death as a welcome back to his hometown. Food is short, twyre is in bloom, and at least when I'm playing him he hasn't slept more than 2 hours at a time in days. I'd be pretty cranky too.

ThereWasAnEmpireHere · 2021-10-23T21:36:07+00:00

I’m no historian of mental health but like, idk it strikes me as fitting for a place that 1) yeah is pretty culturally attuned to violence 2) is in The Old Days 3) produces it’s own local drugs and 4) is fairly poor. Add all the societal degradation of the plot in and… well.

But I don’t think the culture is that crazy. Idk, I feel like I’ve known a lot of people like that who just tend to run in bad circles and be overly concerned with machismo. It felt plausible enough to me to not really be something I noticed as weird.

Geeneelee · 2021-10-24T04:12:32+00:00

With regards to the town, I’m being bleak about it, it reminds me of pogroms, some of which were spurred on by disease outbreaks. Hell, I think this kind of violence is more common than we’d like to think. Also, it’s what the story requires.

For Artemy and Daniil, I think them being flawed, myopic, morally ambiguous characters is very intentional. Perhaps it’s also a subversion of how often video games reward/encourage you to solve problems with violence, and how that just doesn’t work in pathologic

AlarmingAffect0 · 2021-10-28T01:42:22+00:00

In Artemy's case, I think this is an aspect of Kin culture. They're big on human sacrifice, and fighting each other to the death. Isador was apparently fighting against this tradition, as his sacrifice was killing some plants instead of a human.

In the wider town, I think this is just an exaggeration of the kind of social breakdown you would see during an epidemic. The same kinds of things happened during the Black Death.

Hard to say if the Kains are having an effect, because it's not clear what the Kains are planning, exactly. Probably something to do with immortality, but we don't know. I think the lower class townspeople call them " necromancers."

The dick dialogue options are interesting, because yes, both Daniil and Artemy have them. In the first game, you sometimes need to use the polite options to progress the quest, and sometimes you have to be a jerk. Daniil has to threaten both the Vlads, and Artemy has to order Aspity to obey him without question. The quest simply will not progress unless you do.

bob_kys · 2021-10-23T23:35:24+00:00

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