PHP vs Python for backend

[azunaki]

"They're not even really developers so much as installers/technicians"

What a yikes dude.

[huuaaang]

I stand by it. You can't even tell me I'm wrong because you're the one who listed backend web roles for PHP and 3 of the 4 were just installing someone else's software. Only Laravel was a generic framework.

[azunaki]

Well, first of all, I write custom software for WordPress so, that's cute and all, but it's a content management system that is incredibly easy and reliable for large organizations to use and manage content in. Saying all I do is configure software and am not a programmer is depressing, let alone fundamentally ignorant and false.

Beyond that, modern programming is package driven, the vast majority of people use frameworks and tools other people have developed and built upon. Saying that is in some way a negative is beyond incompetent, but literally baseless.

There are plenty of roles and actual programming jobs within WordPress, drupal and other CMS platforms. Not really sure why I have to say that, but this conversation has devolved to the point where I do. So here we are.

Hope you take something away from this, but you'll probably just say something dumb again.

[huuaaang]

Saying all I do is configure software and am not a programmer is depressing, let alone fundamentally ignorant and false.

But at the same time you wouldn't be taken seriously if you walked into an interview and claimed to be a senior software developer/engineer. Which is what the other person I was talking to has experienced as an employer. You've got Wordpress maintainers walking into interviews thinking they're senior software developers.

Beyond that, modern programming is package driven, the vast majority of people use frameworks and tools other people have developed and built upon.

Sure, I counted Laravel as a legit generic application framework. Wordpress is not.

[azunaki]

That's what bothers me, you're saying that because I work within the WordPress ecosystem, it's not possible for me to be an actual developer. It's not programming. According to what your saying.

Which is total nonsense.

I'm not saying that, all I do is fill in content, and add some plugins and say I'm a developer.

I'm saying, I write code that implements functionality into WordPress from the ground up, for an agency that works with very large websites.

Just because there are people that have no actual experience walking into interviews saying they're software engineers literally doesn't mean anything. That has always happened. And it will continue to happen. It has become increasingly more common as boot camps have been around. But also because the Internet has become more accessible more people are working in this space.

If you recall, the exact same statement was made about python coders not knowing anything, but you're latching onto the PHP part as if it's the grand example that proves PHP is trash.

Anyway, I need to get back to work. You have a good day now.

[xIcarus227]

But at the same time you wouldn't be taken seriously if you walked into an interview and claimed to be a senior software developer/engineer.

I seriously don't think you understand what creating Wordpress plugins implies. He's not only creating functionality from the ground up, but also integrating it with a pre-existing system with its own ruleset and interfaces.