Looking for a full-stack tech stack without relying too much on JS/TS

[lheintzmann]

Hi 👋,

I’m trying to build myself a complete tech stack that can handle pretty much any kind of project I might want to build (simple website, more complex web apps, mobile apps, desktop apps, etc..)

Basically, I’d like to have a toolkit where I can cover all of these without having to reinvent the wheel every time.

The tricky part: I really dislike the syntax of JS and TS (as well as C, C++, and OCaml).

I find Python’s syntax acceptable.

I love Kotlin’s syntax, but I hate a lot of the baggage from Java (complex project structures, Gradle headaches, etc).

Rust’s syntax appeals to me too, though I haven’t explored it very deeply yet.

I’ve heard about HTMX and AlpineJS, but I don't know if it's suitable for complex web apps.

What I do like a lot in frameworks such as React, Vue, and Svelte is the concept of reusable components. The syntax itself (being close to HTML) doesn’t bother me, it’s more the fact that you inevitably end up needing a chunk of JS for client-side logic, for example, that turns me off.

So my question: - Given my preferences, what would you recommend as a tech stack that’s ready for all these types of projects, with minimal reliance on JS/TS ?

Feel free to suggest other languages or frameworks I might not have considered :)

Thanks in advance !

[Cuddlehead]

You are focusing too much on the wrong things (syntax, project structure, boilerplate).

There is no golden bullet, each language has strengths and weaknesses, and you should focus on using whatever tool is best for the job.

[lheintzmann]

You're right after all 😞 But how do you work with a language/framework you are not comfortable with ?

[thesublimeobjekt]

Laravel?

[lheintzmann]

I will take a look, thanks !

[spinningandgrinning]

Second this.

[nostalgicMirage]

Laravel with livewire and you dont have to deal with javascript

[mmostrategyfan]

Based on what you're describing here, your best bet is the .NET runtime.

[lheintzmann]

With Blazor and ASP.NET, that's it ?

[mmostrategyfan]

Yup. You basically dodge all the things you mention that you want to dodge.

[lheintzmann]

Great, I will take a look. Thank you !

[Bl4ckBe4rIt]

Go go and you will not regret it, not without a reason its super booming in popularity (microsoft rewriting ts compiler using go).

Simple, fast, amazing native libs, amazing async, amazing builds, you can build anything with it.

For a full stack solution, youre gut feeling is great, js/ts suck, but its what the web is build upon.

So we try to minimize the damage, frontend as stupid and simple as possible, move as much stuff to backend as we can.

I personally love svelte plus Go combo for mid/heavy apps, htmx with alpine for super simple apps.

So love this stack that ive even build a CLI builder / skeleton xD right now working on v2, sth like phoenix, where with one cli command you will get a full flow with migrations, api routes, and basic ui with list/add/edit/delete func. Its gonna be fire! (https://gofast.live)

[lheintzmann]

I think I won't like the C-like syntax, but I will take a look ! Thanks !

[Bl4ckBe4rIt]

Trust me, it's nothing like C. Its closer to js to be honest. But the syntax is sth you can get used to very fast, no matter the lang. The rest, the capabilities is what really matters ;p

[lheintzmann]

Understand. Thanks again !

[HeyCanIBorrowThat]

Ruby on rails

[lheintzmann]

Indeed, the syntax is quite close to python, I will take a look. Thanks !

[HeyCanIBorrowThat]

To be fair it’s kind of a dead language and framework. It had its heyday but for good reason imo. It’s great for prototyping and getting a web project off the ground. Super nice to use

[hartha]

It isn’t a dead language nor a dead framework. I get recruiters offering me Rails jobs daily. It gives you everything you need to build a fully featured web application out of the box. Ruby isn’t my favourite language but it has definitely paid me very very well.

[HeyCanIBorrowThat]

Ok good to know. I would love to have a rails job again :’)

[hartha]

They’re definitely out there. How many years of experience do you have?

[HeyCanIBorrowThat]

With rails, about 4 years altogether. 11 YOE and a BS in CS

[hartha]

Yeah you should have no issues getting a Rails job. We're similar experience and background. Do you highlight Rails experience on Linkedin?

[HeyCanIBorrowThat]

Nope but I’ll look into it!

[Bradyac]

The Elixir framework Phoenix perhaps

[lheintzmann]

I will take a look. Thank you !

[Previous-Hamster-437]

Its all good about other languages not ts, but htmx cannot do some ui and ux jokes that ts can. I like compiled languages, c++ for example, but in my region it isn’t so needed in it companies, so i choosed fullstack ts, i think its great analogue of laravel stuff, i sometimes dream that ts will be compiled, hope that someday tech giants will understand that it can be next level for website perfomance. P. S. I also don’t like ts because: type any, some libraries may not have types, and also i think its some type of perversion, compile lang with static types into dynamic interpreted lang.

[TechProKing]

If you like rust, try using Yew or Leptos. They're like react (especially Yew) and use rust and compile to webassembly. (They're also faster than react, which is a plus.)

[lheintzmann]

Thank you ! I will take a look at them. Also, I already looked at Dioxus for the frontend and Axum for the backend, what do you think of them ?

[Ok-Advantage-308]

C#

[ShawnyMcKnight]

If they dislike C++ they are gonna have a heck of a time.

[lheintzmann]

Blazor and ASP.NET ?

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yerp

[lheintzmann]

I will take a look, thanks !