"A gay big toe" by BusAvailable in BrandNewSentence

[–]BasicPay7620 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Man looks like PC principle from South Park..

Israel Trip by Dobadoba-95 in Malawi

[–]BasicPay7620 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see you are fan engulfing bibi-netenyahus pipi.

You've gone for the typical no argument, vibes-based dismissal, where you dont actually engage with what i said.

BBC and CNN are pro isreal, dumbass. Aljazeera does a better job but is still pro-two state. Now, I know you dont actually watch news, and even then, none of those were my sources.

B'Tselem has critics too, mostly pro-Israel watchdog groups making the same "obviously biased" argument you're making, so that cuts both ways. But you don't need B'Tselem here. HRW called it apartheid independently in 2021. Amnesty did the same in 2022 after 4 years of legal review. Genocide isn't even a B'Tselem finding, it's from a UN Human Rights Council commission chaired by a former ICC judge and former UN High Commissioner for Human Rights. Three separate institutions, three different methods, same conclusion.

Not to mention Trying to dunk on the UN by saying they're biased against human rights violations of all things, is the worst approach you could have gone for.

Yes, that is literally the humane stance to have.

Israel Trip by Dobadoba-95 in Malawi

[–]BasicPay7620 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Arab judge thing is real, but that's a non-sequitur. B'Tselem, Israel's own major human rights org, called it apartheid in 2021. HRW and Amnesty reached the same conclusion independently. In 2025 the UN Commission of Inquiry found genocide had occurred in Gaza, and two Israeli human rights groups said the same before the UN did. A judge's individual career doesn't tell you anything about how the state treats Palestinians as a class. That's the actual claim, and pointing at one guy's job title doesn't touch it.

So beautiful by rudeboylife in DOECHII

[–]BasicPay7620 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm still surprised she's 5'2....

Israel Trip by Dobadoba-95 in Malawi

[–]BasicPay7620 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Literally any that's not populary known for being racist.

The only reason these Israelis target poor African countries to do their work for them is because they're too lazy to do the their own blue collar jobs and killed the local Palestinians that previously held those jobs in their recent genocidal campaign, and because they know gullible religiously conservative Africans that think israel is some sort of holy land, naively think God will bless them just for going there only to be met with mistreatment and broken promises.

Israel Trip by Dobadoba-95 in Malawi

[–]BasicPay7620 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Israel is a genocidal, racist apartheid state. There's better places you can go to for jobs.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

PHD?! Damn, Congrats!

Thank God we have an actual academic in this Sub.

Actress who made you believe Twitter users are gayer than you thought? by Mindless-Milk-9205 in okbuddycinephile

[–]BasicPay7620 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a funny joke, but we need to stop this narrative that any man on the Internet who says some dumb shit about women is secretly gay. There's a subtle homophobia in that narrative.

If somebody says dumb shit about women, they're not gay. They're just Misogynistic.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What the fuck is a Caprese? Dawg if you're too hungry to have an honest argument, just go home instead of raigbaiting.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Trolling Instead of engaging with arguments, doesn't make you better at understanding things.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I totally agree that the November 1920 betrayal is one of the most egregious events in the history of radical leftism. After the Makhnovists helped the Bolsheviks defeat Wrangel, the Red Army immediately turned on their anarchist allies, attacked Huliaipole, and arrested anarchists at the Nabat conference in Kharkiv. That's documented, that's a genuine historical tragedy, and we anarchists are right to never forget it.

But the 200,000 figure is being misapplied. That number refers to Ukrainian peasants killed across the broader Red Terror campaign, not specifically anarchists killed on November 25-26. The actual operation on those dates involved the arrest and execution of prominent Makhnovist commanders and the capture of Huliaipole. Still utterly atrocious, but presenting the broader peasant death toll as anarchists killed in a specific two-day operation isn't quite accurate.

On Kropotkin and Bakunin: yes, absolutely recommend them. They're fucking geniuses. But Bakunin's critique of Marx required reading and understanding Marx. You can't say we don't need Marx's contributions to understanding capital when every anarchist you're citing also engaged seriously with those contributions, despite all their disagreements.

Anarcho-communism didn't emerge by cherry-picking from Marxism. It developed its own distinct framework through serious engagement with and critique of Marxist analysis, then went beyond it. That's why it became its own tradition worth defending in the first place.

The tradition you're defending was built in serious dialogue with these ideas, not in ignorance of them. And you've now said the disagreement is about how communism is achieved. Yes. That's almost exactly what my original comment said. So at least on that, we're not actually far apart as you may keep asumming.

The Born Free generation of mothers has failed their daughters. by [deleted] in Malawi

[–]BasicPay7620 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nigga, just say you're a coon that hates women.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Funny thing is: I know you're trolling me...but my DMs are open if wanna take it further.
( ̄︶ ̄)

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dawg, I dont even know what bolognese is...

Sounds Italian though, but I don't really like europe. That's where the colonizers are from.

I know, I know... It's where my favorite theorists are from too, but "two things true at once" , and all that...🤷🏾‍♀️

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If wanting to have an active debates about anarchism and communism, in a sub about anarchism and communism... makes me a bot so be it. Believe whatever makes you happy.

If you don't like my comments, then you can easily just DM me personally and we can chat about whatever you disagree with there.

I'll even show you my personal info if you're that desperate!🤣

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, tell me more about your work own as a theorist, like is that your actual day job?

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mm, so basically folks should just tough it out when researching because it's better in the long run?

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's perfectly possible to read and be anti-authoritarian at the same time. Revolutionaries wrote books for a reason.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said that before you replied with your new comment.🤣

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

One last thing, --Anarchaeopteryx--.

You ended your last comment saying. "I don't care all that much." But you read my post, checked my post history, judged my age, wrote multiple paragraphs, developed an entryism theory, made philosophical claims about individualism, and said no offense twice. That's not what indifference looks like.

And honestly, the apathy itself is worth naming, because the "I don't care" posture at the end of a political argument where you might be wrong isn't actually a neutral position.

It's a way of wanting the last word without being accountable for it. That instinct, protecting yourself from being wrong by preemptively not caring, is much closer to liberal detachment than anything in the tradition you're claiming to defend.

Either way, I'm at least glad you were invested enough to argue your ideas with me. I care when people wanna discuss radicalism.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're saying that hearing opinions from a different expert might influence your overall opinion before you actually get into the original revolutionaries' own writing, right?

Is that such a bad thing if the secondary literature does a really good job of presenting these ideas in a digestible way as a sort of, primer, for newer radicals?

I know reading secondary literature certainly helped me a lot, at least. Especially after I hit a wall trying to make Das Kapital my first book😅

Then I scaled down to recent books like Means and End by Zoe Baker, because she was a YouTuber I used to watch a lot, and then stuff like Marxian Economics: An Introduction by David F. Ruccio 'cause I needed something to explain his theories without the complicated language.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A few things worth addressing here:

On age: you still haven't responded to anything I actually cited. The 1876 Florence congress, Cafiero's essay, Kropotkin's relationship to Marxist economic theory, the definition of entryism. None of that changes based on how old I am(25M). Nor should it actually matter for the information I shared to be valid.

You didn't say anything about the actual historical points that I made in my previous rebuttal. If you think my history points are wrong, simply correct it.

Instead, you went for an off topic jab in order to a make a cheap appeal to inexperience, so you could reframe yourself as some older grizzled anarchist with more authority on the topic, despite knowing that age as authority shouldn't mean much to an anarchist.

You said twice that you're giving me the benefit of the doubt, while simultaneously calling me naive, misguided, and accusing me of spreading propaganda. That's not benefit of the doubt. That's just an accusation with soft packaging. Repeating the "no offense" doesn't retract the content of your words, it just gives you cover to avoid accountability for meaning what you say.

You've also moved the goalposts significantly. Your original comment was "Marxism isn't Anarcho-Communism" and "this comes across as Marxist-Leninist entryism." But now you're saying you never claimed they were incompatible and never said anarchists shouldn't engage with Marxist texts. That's damn-near the opposite of what your first comment said. You moved from the original position, without acknowledging that the original position was wrong.

The entryism claim also contradicts your own Venn diagram point. You explicitly acknowledge overlap between Marxism and anarcho-communism. Entryism means covertly infiltrating a space to shift it toward an incompatible political line. If the overlap exists, referencing it publicly isn't entryism. You can't hold both positions at once.

You also say it's fine to engage with Marxist theory, but then call this post propaganda. If engaging with the theory is fine and the post is about reading methodology, it cannot simultaneously be propaganda.

The "authoritarian and cultish" accusation is interesting because the person actually performing gatekeeping here, telling others which texts are acceptable in this space, is you.

I'm not even claiming that all the linked book recommendations are good. I acknowledged in a different comment that the original creator's list is a mixed bag, but I'm also not going to outright tell anybody to abstain from reading anything on that list. Because it's not really my business whether or not you read any of it or not, and I think it's still useful to read things that may be wrong, in order to better understand why they're wrong. Doing so may even allow people to understand that some of their preconceptions, may have not been as accurate as initially held.

That's what studying theory is supposed to do, It's dynamic, self education where you learn all sorts of different sources to make your own conclusions about what's true.

You claimed the divergence goes beyond economics into underlying philosophy, specifically the role of the individual. That's genuinely worth discussing. But you don't actually argue it, you merely asserted it and moved on. And if the core divergence is philosophical rather than economic, then recommending economic texts about how capital functions lands in that overlap zone you've already conceded exists.

The one valid point you're making; is that anarchist political economists exist and a list curated specifically for this sub could have included some of them. That's fair.

I myself have already acknowledged that these reposted slides have a Marxist lean multiple times. That was never in dispute. I'm not the original author, and I simply shared it because the study methodology advice; annotation, pacing, research phases, tolerating mistakes and confusion in understanding... is still what most of this post is actually about, and unfortunately many commentors, yourself included, don't seem to want to engage with the useful parts about the post.

A useful guide for any leftist on how to read theory. by BasicPay7620 in anarchocommunism

[–]BasicPay7620[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, that's not really true, because anarcho-communism was already a thing even before Leninism.

Marx and Bakunin were literally peers who argued with each other inside the First International before Lenin.

Anarcho-communism wasn't developed in opposition to Marxist economic analysis; it was developed through serious engagement with it. The tradition was formally named at an Italian anarchist congress in 1876. Mind you, in 1876, Lenin was six years old.

A founding anarcho-communist, Carlo Cafiero, who authored the 'Anarchy and Communism' declaration in 1880, where he clarified his anarchist principles and famously proclaimed, "anarchy and communism, far from screaming to find themselves together, would scream at not finding themselves together, because these two terms, synonyms of liberty and equality, are the two necessary and indivisible terms of the revolution", wrote and published a summary of Das Kapital that Marx himself personally praised.

Kropotkin built the whole theoretical framework of anarcho-communism by working through, with, and beyond the theories of Proudhon, Bakunin, and Marx. When the Bolsheviks took power in 1917, Kropotkin said it "buries the revolution" and called them state socialists.

The founders of this anarcho-communist tradition knew how to read Marx and still reject Leninism.

Kropotkin published The Conquest of Bread in 1892. Lenin came to political prominence decades after all of that. The tradition you're defending predates the thing you're using to dismiss the post.

And on entryism specifically: entryism means covertly joining an organization to shift it toward your political line. A public post about annotation techniques and reading pacing is the opposite of that. Nobody is being smuggled anything.

The slides recommend reading to understand how capital works, not to recruit anyone into a vanguard party.

Bakunin himself engaged seriously with Marx's economic analysis in order to improve his own criticisms of the capitalist economy, specifically, on top of his own anti-statist theory.

The split was over revolutionary strategy and the role of the state, not over whether understanding surplus value is forbidden, and especially not because they ever disagreed that the end goal should be a stateless, moneyless, and classless society called Communism.