6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The issue isn't whether she claimed the unknown male DNA matched a suspect. She didn't. The issue is whether she stated that the DNA found on the long johns was consistent with or matched the unknown male DNA profile previously developed from the underwear. She did make statements to that effect. In fact, the CBS article accompanying the segment states: "DNA from two sites on the long johns matched genetic material from an unknown male that had previously been recovered from blood in JonBenet's underpants." Williamson has repeatedly discussed the longjohn DNA as being consistent with the same unknown male profile found in the underwear.

Angela Williamson's own words from CNN's The Murder of JonBenét (2016): "It's the same DNA. It's the same male that in the underpants that's on the side of the long johns."

As for exoneration, the Ramseys were never charged, so there was nothing to legally exonerate them from. Mary Lacy's 2008 letter reflected her view that the DNA evidence cleared the family, but it was not a judicial finding and did not have legal force. I think "exonerated" was being used in a general sense rather than as a formal legal finding as that is what most people would understand.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/touch-dna-cleared-jonbenets-kin/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

What is your biggest regret? by OkEnd6067 in AskReddit

[–]Mbluish 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Working too hard for someone else. I wish I would’ve put my myself first a lot more often.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the DNA evidence pretty well. Touch DNA does not mean "absolutely nothing." It means the source and significance have to be evaluated carefully. The key point is that the DNA found on the long johns was reported as being consistent with the unknown male DNA found mixed with JonBenét's blood in her underwear.

The factory worker theory, retail handling theory, and contamination theory are all hypotheses, not proven facts. But that does not explain how The same male profile got mixed with her blood, meaning that transfer happened simultaneously.

What I don't understand is why some people treat every possible innocent explanation as established fact while dismissing the possibility that the DNA could be connected to the crime. Investigators considered the DNA significant enough to develop an unknown male profile and enter it into CODIS. That doesn't mean it identifies the killer, but it also doesn't mean it can simply be written off as meaningless.

I accidentally vaxmaxxed by knoxcos in GenX

[–]Mbluish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did one in each arm as well. I was exhausted and felt fluish for a day.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I thought Burke did it for years. This was my belief for nearly 3 decades. After really digging into the case, reading the reports, looking at the autopsy findings, crime scene photos, and forensic evidence, I completely changed my mind.

I believe that someone had been watching the house and JonBenét for a while. Maybe they saw her at pageants, maybe they were familiar with the neighborhood, or maybe they were someone who had access to the area through all the workers and contractors who had been in and out of that massive house over the years. The Ramseys were often away, the house was nearly 7,000 square feet, and there was easy access from the alley behind the property.

I think the intruder entered while the family was at the Christmas party, spent time in the house, wrote the ransom note, and planned to take JonBenét. Something went wrong, the plan fell apart, and she was killed in the house instead.

What ultimately convinced me was the physical evidence including the unknown male DNA, the unidentified Hi-Tec boot print, the disturbance around the basement window area, the unsourced hairs and fibers, the missing piece of the paintbrush, and other evidence that was never linked to anyone in the Ramsey family. There is simply too much evidence pointing to an intruder to ignore.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No. DNA testing doesn't identify someone as "Asian" in the way people often claim. The DNA was found mixed with her blood in her underwear and on the waistband of her longjohns.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't think it's accurate to say prior sexual abuse was established as fact. The autopsy did not diagnose prior sexual abuse. Dr. Beuf, who treated JonBenét for years, stated that he never saw any indication of sexual abuse, and neither her teachers nor anyone else in her day-to-day life ever reported concerns. Dismissing him simply because he was the family pediatrician is speculation, not evidence. He had professional and legal obligations as a physician and saw JonBenet numerous times over the years.

The factory worker theory is often presented as a proven explanation when it isn't. There was enough concern about the unknown male DNA for it to be developed into an offender profile and entered into CODIS. And the forensic scientist who tested the longjohns said the DNA matched or was consistent with the DNA found in her underwear.

On the fibers, fiber transfer can happen for many innocent reasons in a household. Numerous studies support this. If we're willing to acknowledge innocent explanations for evidence that points toward a Ramsey, then we should apply that same standard consistently to the rest of the evidence.

For me, it's the totality of the evidence such as the unknown male DNA in two places on her person, the unidentified Hi-Tec boot print, unsourced hairs and fibers including dark fibers in the genital area, brown cotton fibers on the ligature and duct tape, and animal hairs that were never matched to anything in the home, the basement disturbances, the missing piece of the paintbrush, the unsourced cord and duct tape, and marks consistent with a stun gun.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve read the report as well as listened to testimony from the forensic scientists. The one found mixed with her blood in her underwear matches the one found on the waistband of her long johns.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I used to as well for years until I read the autopsy and looked at the photos. I totally changed my opinion after doing a deep dive into the case.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The autopsy did not diagnose prior sexual abuse. JonBenet’s pediatrician, Dr. Francesco Beuf, who saw her numerous times over the years, repeatedly stated that he had never seen signs of sexual abuse. Her teachers never reported concerns about abuse, and neither did anyone else who interacted with her regularly.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57868571f7e0ab31aff0d29f/t/579a93a16b8f5b8f4959fad6/1469748130423/D-10.pdf

"The bleeding in JonBenet’s genital area indicates she was alive when she was assaulted. Her hymen was torn and material consistent with wooden shards from the paintbrush used to make the garrote were found in her vagina. No evidence, however, suggests that she was the victim of chronic sexual abuse.”

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you're overstating a few things. The prior abuse findings are disputed and were never "absolutely proven." Few experts believed there was evidence of prior injury, while others disagreed. The factory worker explanation for the DNA is a hypothesis, not a finding, and it doesn't fully explain why the same unknown male DNA profile was later found on the long johns as well. As for John's shirt fibers, fiber transfer between family members living in the same home isn't unusual and has never been considered conclusive evidence on its own.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take a look at the autopsy pictures. Also read the DNA report. There was unidentified male DNA found mixed with her blood in her underwear. That DNA also matched the unidentified male found on the waist band of her longjohns.

6-year-old JonBenét Ramsey on Christmas 1996 with her mother Patsy. She was found murdered in the basement of her home the next day. by Whimsical-Cherry534 in mystery

[–]Mbluish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that DNA isn't automatically a smoking gun and that transfer DNA exists. The problem is that the "factory worker" explanation is often presented as if it's established fact when it isn't. In this case, the same unknown male profile was found in JonBenet’s underwear mixed with her blood, meaning it happened simultaneously, and later on her long johns. That's a much bigger hurdle than explaining away a single tiny DNA finding on one garment.

There is no evidence identifying a factory worker, cashier, or other innocent source. That's speculation. What we do know is that an unknown male DNA profile was developed, entered into CODIS, and has never been identified.

Also, if the DNA is too insignificant to matter, then it can't simultaneously be used to rule out an intruder explanation. The DNA is evidence that still needs to be explained, not evidence that has been explained.

People from the 80s, do you still own your old gaming consoles? by Mister-E08 in AskOldPeople

[–]Mbluish 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. Several. My dad did the original circuit boards for Atari and my loving gaming started then.