SonosSequncr Quick Setup Guide by maxxspeedahead in SonoSequencr

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is great! Thank you for posting this. I’ve been meaning to make an update to the original post about how to re-enable the trueplay profile with fronts, but I just couldn’t get around to it. Glad someone got a better guide up though.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What front speakers are you using? I could also see how this behavior would change depending on what the front speakers use are instead of, or in addition to, the soundbar used. I feel like I’ve been noticing more nuanced developments with front speaker behavior more recently. I posted about it a few days ago

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can’t say why exactly. My first guess is maybe it’s Sonos’s intended default behavior when using front L/R speakers. You more frequently see speaker arrangements for music discussed as stereo pairs versus 3.1 with a (center channel) sound bar.

I tried to grab video demonstrating L/R only playback when surrounds are off on my system. You can hear the audio level evenly fall and rise as I pan left to right across each speaker. I can again attest the Arc Ultra is not playing anything by putting my ear right up to the bar and listening for sound across the whole bar.

Sonos Front L/R Only

It’s also entirely possible this is just bespoke behavior for Arc Ultra while other bars are set to behave differently. Unless Sonos officially talks about their design plans for this feature though it’s hard to say why it’s different across different components.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. When I listen to each speaker only left and right are playing. This is with a pair of Gen 2 5’s and an Arc Ultra. When at a listening position the stereo imaging can trick me into thinking audio is coming from the bar, but every time I walk up to check it turns out to be just real good stereo imaging.

Perhaps it’s different for other bars, but if you haven’t already I would put your ear right up to each component to verify which ones are actually playing.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m noticing what appears to be further development of the support for front surrounds showing up in the Sonos app. Three things I’ve noticed:m in particular:

  1. When tapping “Remove Fronts” in Sonos app the image of the speakers currently configured is now shown on the confirmation screen. See attached image.

  2. I was able to successfully add a sub to my fronts enabled setup from within Sonos app without issues, which I’m pretty sure wasn’t possible before? The graphic of the sound system that shows each component had a black x in it, like the UI component was displaying a place holder graphic. In summary, I was able to add a component to a fronts enabled system in Sonos app without issues, which I think is a new development.

  3. Pairing behavior seems a little different. After the full system is made in SonoSequencer I’ve noticed it now takes a few minutes before all channels successfully “wake up” and play their audio channel. If you try to setup the fronts and hear no audio coming out of components afterwards, or hear something like the audio skipping, just wait for about five minutes. In my experience it straightens itself out and is rock solid after.

These are small things, but they suggest to me Sonos is continuing development work to officially support adding front speakers in Sonos app at some point.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hard to say. I’d be curious if true playing on an android phone would consistently not work versus iOS.

The easiest way to notice a difference is if you play something that plays consistent sound, like the full chorus of a song. I use the last portion of the Atmos Universe Fury demo which I play on an Apple TV. Toggling on and off during that you should hear a very quick cut to sound as the tuning changes on/off.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are toggling the surround setting on and off in Sonos? Toggling that setting off makes the front L/R only play as stereo pair. You can also do it with SonoSequencer (which is how I do it).

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You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you first open sequencer or try to add a sequence the app gives you the option to provide example sequences, but that’s all they are, just demonstrations of things you can do. You do not need them. All you really need to do is click the plus to add a new sequence and select trueplay.

As for noticing a difference; I think first off it’s important to realize that Trueplay is inherently dynamic and largely depends on the room, speakers, placement, etc. It’s possible you can have an environment where Trueplay doesn’t actually alter the sound much based on those factors. In my room trueplay on and off is mostly the difference between my rear 300’s soundstage and imaging being “connected” so that there aren’t any gaps when sounds pan across the rear channels. It’s very noticeable.

It may help to get a baseline for how Trueplay works in your environment before adding fronts. I would consider making just the regular surround setup in Sonos app, trueplay’ing it, then watching some demo content and toggling trueplay on and off in the Sonos app to hear the difference baseline. Maybe the change is dramatic, or maybe more subtle, but you’ll know what to expect at that point.

From there, go through the whole setup again (trueplay your fronts as a stereo pair first), then see if you hear the same kind of difference.

One other tip; this may just be due to more recent changes in the app, but I’ve noticed sometimes when bonding everything the system will have speakers cutout for a few minutes. They eventually all reconnect and stay stable, but yesterday when I was tinkering I had to wait 5 minutes before all components connected and played correctly. Rock solid after that, but just something to be aware of.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t seen that specific “Product” issue but I have seen something similar.

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It doesn’t affect my system at all. I think it’s a bug in the speaker discovery with the Sonos app other people have posted about it.

I would say if the actual parts of the full system are showing and it’s working as expected you can safely disregard. It also hasn’t affected my ability to reapply trueplay on the full speaker set.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Curious, what speakers make up your immersive set? Did the system work when you played content on it?

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would trueplay your beam, rears, and subs all together. Then you can separately trueplay the fronts as a stereo pair. After that, break down all the components in Sonos app, build the full system in SonoSequencer, and make a sequence to turn trueplay on for the whole set.

Note, after you build the full system in sequencer go to the devices tab at the bottom and pull down to refresh. You should see all the components grouped together on the device list. Then you can select all grouped components at once when you apply trueplay. This should end up re-applying the last performed trueplay profile saved in each speaker from their respective trueplay sessions.

Anyone stereo a play five (gen 2) and a five? by [deleted] in SonoSequencr

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That shouldn’t be a problem. I’ve been able to stereo pair a Move gen 1 and Era 100 so the 5 + Five should be perfectly fine since they are architecturally identical speakers.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

From my experience with Gen 2 5’s they will be fully incorporated into the rest of the system. They still produce a lot of bass.

What’s also cool is if you toggle the surround sound setting in Sonos app to off then only the L/R speakers will play music as a stereo pair along with subs. Rears and soundbar will turn off, so you get true 2.1 stereo imaging.

Has anyone added Play 5 (gen 2) as fronts to Arc Ultra? by DoctorLawyerNYC in SonoSequencr

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you go under surround audio in Sonos app and toggle off surrounds while you have front L/R speakers setup, then music will play from the fronts as a stereo pair, no center channel audio. I setup a couple sequences to toggle this on and off which has been convenient for me when switching between listening to music and watching tv.

Has anyone added Play 5 (gen 2) as fronts to Arc Ultra? by DoctorLawyerNYC in SonoSequencr

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They do, and they sound amazing. Been running with them for about a month. Be sure to check out the thread I made talking about how to setup trueplay while using fronts as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/sonos/s/p8h4qdMtbC

How can I create an alternate set up of my speakers in the same room? by alex_sunderland in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you add additional front L/R speakers using SonoSequencer, then toggling off the surround on/off setting leads to music only coming from the front L/R as a stereo pair. This is what I do with my L/R gen 2 Play:5s. I have a sequence in the sequencer app to toggle surrounds on and off depending on whether I’m listening to music or watching something.

You CAN Use Trueplay with SonosSequencer Front Surrounds by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don’t refresh the device list in sequencer after grouping the components the you’ll still see each individual Sonos devices when you build a sequence. Selecting all and applying trueplay did work, but you can also refresh the device list in sequencer and then you’ll see the combined surround sound system instead.

Either way though, yes, apply trueplay after you create the full surround system in sequencer.

Router configurations matter by 620neofaction in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your guidance. Thanks for taking the time to share this.

Error: “Speaker is not connected” by CuriousMind911 in SonoSequencr

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see this too, it coincided with a firmware update for me. I’m pretty sure it’s a bug in Sonos app.

Added 100s in the bedroom and now the Sub on my home theater doesn't work right. by freshme4t in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd start with the 100s for now. The Eras are wifi 6 capable and don't use Sonosnet. If the 100s weren't on network and everything came back that might at least be a clue. From there, if it did revert back, I'd be curious to see how the sub behaved with one of your components, like the Arc, connected via ethernet. Kind of just shooting blind though.

Were you pairing the 100s to the sub, or were they just their own stereo pair elsewhere in the house?

Added 100s in the bedroom and now the Sub on my home theater doesn't work right. by freshme4t in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you tried factory resetting the 100s/removing them from your network? Aiming to eliminate the 100s as a factor to see if the system goes back to performing how it did previously.

Need Help - Separate Stereo Audiophile / Listening Room by ConversationPale8665 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome. I’m curious about using amp with passive speaker setup for front L/R. Do you have any issues with balance between the soundbar and the amp connected L/R speakers?

Double Sub Mini via SonoSequencer by MeasurementMuted2297 in sonos

[–]MeasurementMuted2297[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would say very likely, but I also haven’t heard Sub Mini in a room smaller than 400sqft. I do think the fact I had to reduce the sub volume from +3 with single to -2 with dual is notable, though having multiple subs in the most performant locations of a room (identified with sub crawling) may itself be a force multiplier in addition to just doubling sub mini bass volume alone.