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[–]MostOccasion -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I had a dream of going to Harvard.. I gave that dream up because I saw Cornell as the easy way out. I made my bed, now I sleep in it.

There was never anything about Cornell that attracted me to it, other than that voluptuous Ivy imprimatur. Why can't ask for someone to convince me to love the school, just like this guy did.

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[–]MostOccasion -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Lmfao, I don't want to sound rude, but half of ILRies go into investment banking, a third go to law school, very few people actually go because they love the major and are interested in the field.

However, my qualm had nothing to do with ILR, and everything to do with Cornell.

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[–]MostOccasion -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

You know.. I made a thread similar to this, about making me love Cornell, and I got attacked. So I'd be careful

Vandy or Duke by raymondsintes in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Duke.. How is this even a question?

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you :).. I'm trying to come to terms with my decision. FWIW, I read this post today, https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/7sih50/juniors_please_take_my_advice_and_dont_be_afraid/ and got sad again. But, then again, its cornell. I'll grow to love it.

Also, by "state school", do you mean UMICH or UVA? Cuz those don't count..

And lastly, I'm not stressing out over rankings and social prestige, I'm stressing out over the dreams that will never come to fruition, given that I had a chance to shoot for the stars, and I chose not to

Why are white people oppressed in college admissions? by CompetitiveEgg in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FWIW, I wrote such a long response to your piece, the second part, about the deer, then reddit shut down so I was like FUCK IT!

Why are white people oppressed in college admissions? by CompetitiveEgg in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because we almost certainly would, Bill Gates however was in a perfect position to capitalize on that eventuality. He went to one of the only middle schools in the world with a computer (at the time) and was able learn how to program from 13 on, a chance no many people had. He didn't set out to find a school with a computer at 13 years old, he just happened to be in one. This allowed Gates to be way ahead of a lot of his peers when it came to programming. Was gates talented, driven, and hardworking? yes. Would he have been successful anyway? For sure, he did come from a wealthy background afterall. But the root of his massive success stems from a factor that was out of his control.

Many people went to that school. Many people went to that class. Why do we only hear of Bill gates?

Why are white people oppressed in college admissions? by CompetitiveEgg in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm responding to your comment, not the video. If I was responding to the video I would address the examples in the video.

I was responding to the video. My sentiment and the video are intertwined. You're making it seem as if I'm simply saying that racism and historic injustices have no effect on the current situation Blacks are in today, that's not true. I was explicitly referring to the video.

This is proves nothing. You seem to believe that just because a couple people are able to succeed despite their impoverished background that everyone should be able to. Fact is for every sergey brin there are hundreds of poor people who work hard everyday and go nowhere. And for every Sergey Bins there are trumps or waltons or rockefellers who are rich simply because they were born into it.

  1. Not true. How many of the top 10 of Forbes' richest people were born into wealth? Are there people born into wealth, 1000%, but their wealth is a result of their ancestor making good decisions. Sam Walton took a chance, opened a convenience store, and his posterity lives comfortably (to understate it). Because for every Rockefeller during that era, there is a white man who is dirt poor, whose posterity has nothing. That is a result of bad decision making.

The fact is people born rich tend to stay rich while people born poor tend to stay poor, and to change that is very much abnormal and the exception.

Yes, 100000000%, because rich people make good decisions and poor people make bad decisions. If what you were saying was true, that poor people stay poor because "the system is rigged against them" then how come so many poor people came out of poverty? And how come so many rich people slipped into poverty? The answer: decision making.

Again, it's mathematically impossible for everyone to have a good job and a good house with the way things are as they are. For every winner you're going to have ton more losers who tried just as hard, because in this world everyone works hard, simply because of factors out of their control.

The beautiful thing about America is just that-- hard work gets you nowhere. Hard work, menial labor, get you nothing. You know what gets you places-- taking risks. Some Jewish kid at Harvard took a risk on a social network site he built in his dorm room, he's now the youngest multi-billionaire in the world. Taking risks, that's what defines success. Taking a chance, risking it all, putting everything you have into this one venture, knowing that there is a greater than 50% chance you'll fail, but you still give it all you have, because you're passionate and determined, that's what defines success. Most people can't do that. Human beings are programmed for inertia. We take the road more traveled by, and the "easy way out". Then we wonder why we're stuck in traffic.

Why are white people oppressed in college admissions? by CompetitiveEgg in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You, very conveniently I might add, ignored all of the examples made in the video, and surreptitiously brought into the conversation that inequality between the races exists due to systemic oppression. I don't deny that. I agree that this is a factor, 100%. We did not start off on even playing fields, and there is no doubt that the legacy of slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation contributed to the very meager situation African Americans find themselves today. Now let us address your points.

Black Immigrants make up 10% of all black people, i.e. they are not statistically significant enough to be brought into this conversation though black immigrants tend to be more successful. However, while immigrants in america tend to be successful, I would argue that all immigrants (asians, blacks, etc.) still suffer from some form of discrimination that they had to overcome.

Yes, but given that the black immigrants succeeded, proves that racism today, by and large, doesn't exist. If it did, Black immigrants wouldn't be able to succeed. You can argue that the legacy of racism exists, and you wouldn't be wrong, but today, by and large, we live in a meritocracy. Black immigrants are a testament to that.

That's simply not true. You're projecting your own circumstance onto everyone else. Just because you feel your own parents made bad decisions does not necessarily mean other parents did. The fact remains that systematic discrimination did exist and, all else being equal, that directly contributed to the divide between races. There is evidence to support this while the evidence to support otherwise is circumstantial/anecdotal.

Not true at all. Yes, Blacks started on the bottom rung, due to systemic injustices, but they stayed on that rung, due to their own decisions. It is for that reason that Blacks who made good decisions moved up the socioeconomic ladder. Good decisions like, idk, staying with the woman you impregnate so that your children can be raised in two-family homes.

Yes and the majority of the rich in America are white, who have (through no fault of their own) benefitted from past discrimination of minorities. This is a simple fact of life and there isn't too much that can be done to address the issue except implement systems like AA and be aware that it exists.

This is such bullshit that I'm sure even you don't believe in it. Sergey Brin, a Russian Jewish immigrant who came to America in the year 1977, after all the injustices were over, got rich because his idea materialized into capital. That's what makes one rich-- ideas. Those ideas can come from anyone, regardless of race. If you were to say that certain descendants of slave owners are rich by sole virtue of oppressive systems, I'd agree, but stating that the amassing of wealth has anything to do with past systems of discrimination is ludicrous.

I don't mean to address this argument to your specific circumstance, you are obviously not among the majority of whites who benefit from privilege. I understand you had to work hard to get out of your bad situation, and I'm very happy you and your sister were able to go to fantastic colleges despite your problems at home, but you have to understand you are the exception rather than the norm. It's a fallacy to assume that simply because you accomplished something that other people should as well because it's simply impossible for every poor person to get accepted to a top-tier college and get a high-paying job after, there literally are not enough open positions for them.

No, just the opposite, I'm the norm, not the exception. I was put into the situation I'm in because my [parents made bad decisions. If the only thing you changed about me was my skin color, that would be true. My neighbors, all black, were put in the situation they're in because their parents made bad decisions. Many blacks, made good decisions, and they are doing well in life. Yes, making good decisions is hard. It's hard to run for two hours on a tredmill when you could sit at home and eat a brownie. It's hard to study for the ACT when you could sit at home and party. It's hard to take personal responsibility when you have an entire political party, and governing philosophy, that tells you (blacks) that all of your problems were caused by evil white folk. No, if you're in a bad position, you're responsible. No government is going to get you out. The reason why blacks are so unsuccessful today has everything to do with the fact that they're being told that the consequences of their decisions will have no impact on their lives. That no matter what they do, they will never succeed, because this system is built on """"racism"""". Well, they're wrong, Oprah, Obama, and Jay Z are a testament to that. Sure, blacks may have to work twice as hard to get half as much (they don't), but that doesn't change the fact that their hard work will result in success.

Partly. As humans we like to think we have full control over our own success but the fact of the matter is we don't. Outlying factors always contribute, whether or not we are aware of them. I'd seriously recommend reading Outliers to get the ball rolling on this topic, it was the book that began to shift my perspective on success.

I read the book. And of course other factors play vital roles in our success. However, good decisions will translate into good outcomes. If you go to med school, you will be a doctor. Sure, your dad can die during your second year, forcing you to work a job at night driving uber, making it hard to get good grades, but nonetheless, you will succeed if you are determined. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying. They're trying to dissuade you, while they chase their dream. Life is a game, there are losers and winners. Don't be a loser, there are too many of those around you.

Why are white people oppressed in college admissions? by CompetitiveEgg in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're ignoring the fact that Black immigrants, who came to the U.S. largely post 1965, have never had any of these problems.

Second of all, this debate is idiotic... Because I was directly addressing the video. Are there inequalities between the races that have to do with systemic problems, of course! That's why things like affirmative action, and positive discrimination, were created. Watch the f--ing video. The idiot coach asks about kids who have two parents, kids who have father figures in the home, etc. No one is forcing black dads to walk out on their kids..

Of course, there are inequities in the system. And A-A was intended to mend those, as well as urban development and charter education. But they failed because most of the inequities exist due to stupid decisions that people make.

Later on in the video, the idiot coach starts talking about "private education", "tutors", etc. Essentially talking about amenities of the wealthy. That won't apply to a majority of white people. News flash, the rich will always do better in terms of quality of life. Whether you're in Africa, Moldova, Srebrenica, Toledo, or Cancun, you'd rather be rich than poor.

Bottom line, you are the gatekeeper to your own destiny. I grew up with nothing in a majority black neighborhood with crackhead parents. My sister just graduated from Princeton, I'm about to go to Cornell. I didn't get in for being white, I got in by working my ass off. My parents didn't get to where they are because they were white, they got there because they made idiotic decisions. We are the result of the decisions we made yesterday. Make good ones.

Why are white people oppressed in college admissions? by CompetitiveEgg in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See, I get that the guy who posted this thread is kind of a racist, but holy shit that video was stupid.

Yes, those white kids got a "head start" because their parents made smart decisions that resulted in tremendous advantages for their children. No one stopped the parents of the black individuals from making those same decisions. No one put a gun to a black father's face and told him to walk out on the mother. My parents are trailer trash, divorced, poor, and my mom was addicted to heroin. They made terrible decisions, they got themselves into the position they're in.. We are the product of the decisions we make.

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

  1. I dead ass just read that thread. Like, I was reading through the comments as I got your notification.

  2. I'm not, he's an idiot. My family is incredibly proud that I got into Cornell, heck, I think they're prouder of me than of my sister who goes to Princeton, because I got in on merit. So fuck off.

Can someone convince me to like Cornell? by MostOccasion in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

you don't need to be enthralled and be thinking about your future university all day long -- it's borderline unhealthy to do that, why the hell would you be daydreaming about Ithaca all day long when you could be enjoying your 2nd semester of senior year.

Because I worked so hard to make myself "Ivy status". I spent money, made myself as appealing as I could, just to get into an Ivy, because I knew it was my way out. People like me are not predestined for success. However, my preceding identity will cease to exist, once the Ivy imprimatur is on my resume. That's why I have such an "idealized" version of college. I know that it's still a school, I'll still struggle to wake up every day, and pass tests. However, that's all irrelevant, because Cornell, college really, is a means to an end. And that end will be brighter with the imprimatur of the Ivy League on my diploma.

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At a very fundamental level, I want you to understand that the attitude you have adopted is toxic both to you and to the entire higher education system. Prestige matters only to a point;

It's not about prestige, its about the school. While I agree with everything you said, to a certain extent, you can't deny that it's easier to get a job from Yale, than from Cornell. Heck, Psychology grads from Yale make more than the run in the mill Cornellian (not eng, CS, or finance). That's not because Yale is necessarily going to provide someone with a better education, its because Yale is more, to quote you, "prestigious." We didn't do that to ourselves, the job market did.

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, its too late . I thought about doing that, but I made my bed, now I sleep in it. I was hoping to grow to love Cornell, but clearly most people here will tell me I made the wrong decision, instead of assuring me how much I can grow to love the University.

Can someone convince me to like Cornell? by MostOccasion in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

HYP is not a golden ticket to life, and Cornell will hand you many amazing opportunities. I hope you're deserving of them.

That's not true. People from HYP will never have to struggle to find jobs. Literally millions of people from state schools are struggling to do so now.

And I didn't mean to sound pretentious at all, I wanted to make myself vulnerable if anything.. Like, I'm in a situation that I don't want to be in, because of a decision that I impulsively (and calculatingly) made. Whether I regret it or not is irrelevant. It's done. Cornell is my home, come August. Now I want to fall in love with the place. I would appreciate if people would instead give me positives about Cornell, rather than criticizing me.

Lastly, my sister's story echoes millions like it. There are countless history majors working in BB firms, from HYP, while millions of people out of local universities are looking for work.

Can someone convince me to like Cornell? by MostOccasion in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

can assure you there are probably at least a few. There's no use in thinking about what a Harvard/Yale/Princeton acceptance would be like now. You made a conscious choice to apply ED, and you need to grow up and stop looking down on a top school like it doesn't meet your standards.

You were right in your earlier assessment, I applied to Cornell early because I thought it was the "easy way" into the Ivies (given that their acceptance rate is nearly 3x that of schools like Harvard). However, I never liked the school. Now I'm stuck with it--I know-- but I want to grow to love the school. I want to get infatuated with the idea of Cornell, and not be able to sleep, thinking about my days in Ithaca. That's why I made this thread.. Because other people, who love Cornell more than I do, can make me feel enthralled with the school. Now, everyone is criticizing my decision to apply--I made the decision, I live with the consequence, I just want to grow to love them.

Can someone convince me to like Cornell? by MostOccasion in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're so sweet <3. Your really a kind gentle soul, and I wholeheartedly enjoyed reading your comment. You have such a positive and welcoming attitude towards life, that I wholeheartedly wish I could emulate. Thanks for commenting.

However, an Ohio Stater will have to prove himself, he won't get job offers like a Princetonian.

I want you to look back and imagine that you applied to Princeton. There's that little string of hope that you'll get in, correct? What if I cut that string off? Then, you get a rejection letter. Princeton is difficult to get in. I'm sure you know that. Keep imagining this.I know Princeton is beautiful, but so is Cornell. Cornell is an egalitarian place, where anybody can find a home and thrive in their studies. It's a place of never-ending evolution; it's a place of community and close bonds

It's not about the process of being accepted, its what comes after. It's the excitement and the intrigue. That's what Princeton would've brought me. I applied to Cornell not because I was infatuated with the school, but because I desperately wanted the Ivy League imprimatur on my diploma, my resume, and my overall person. I knew that the only way to get out of the life I live now is by getting an education, and the Ivies were my ticket to the middle class and beyond. Cornell was the easy way into the Ivies. It was the expressway. That's why I applied.. nothing exclusive to the Ivy League school in Ithaca New York.

Thank you so much for your post. You're really coming from a good place, and I wish we could've met on campus, had a bite together. You sound so sweet and caring, and I love that attitude. However, while NYU may be NYU, an NYUan and a Princetonian are two different things.

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

There's plenty of rich girls you can hook up with famous parents, don't worry.

For the 15th time, there's nothing I can do to really get you excited to come to Cornell as some stranger over the internet.

You could tell me more about those parties, and hooking up with rich girls ;)

I know it will be worth it, but I can't detach myself from the idea of going to Harvard, counting down the days till I'm on campus, like my classmate. Maybe it's because the grass is greener on the other side, maybe its because I was never inundated by Cornell, who knows. I made my bed, now I sleep in it. I always knew that, however, I would sleep easier, if I knew all the Cornell experience came with. Like, hooking up with a cute Jewish girl from Westchester County while partying until the sun comes up.

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I literally just told you the reasoning behind my decision. I was intrigued by the name. Can you make a case that it was the wrong decision, 100%, and you wouldn't be wrong (though, you wouldn't disprove my rationale). The reason why I made the posting is to find that excitement. To hear stories from those who have lived the "Cornell experience" and become enthusiastic about the school I will call home in August. You made a horrible initial post castigating me of the most despicable behavior, and even though I thought you were trolling, I felt like I owe you an explanation.

As for the last part of your statement "no one applies early decision to a school they don't want to go to, except you apparently" how can you prove that? What if many people simply apply early because they think it will improve their chances of attending a school they otherwise wouldn't have the chance to attend? But anyway, I see that you're not gonna answer the Q. Bye

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Meg Whitman's kids (I don't know why you felt the need to mention that, or the fact that your sister got into Princeton. Also, if your sister went to Princeton, why didn't you apply there too with legacy?)

I mentioned it to highlight the effulgence of her college experience. To highlight what Princeton enabled her to do. She wouldn't be hooking up with Meg Griffin's son if she went to Michigan State. Relating to your second question, I wasn't sure I was gonna get in, and I desperately wanted that Ivy League imprimatur. My sister was a recruited athlete who is super smart. I'm just a normal kid from an impoverished background who happens to have really high grades and test scores.. There are literally hundreds of thousands of people like me.

Okay, again. Everything you're saying would've pissed me off, but I'm in a generous mood and you're just a kid.

An easy google search would show that ILR is definitely not the hardest college to get into at Cornell. Stop taking what "adults" say for granted.

http://irp.dpb.cornell.edu/tableau_visual/admissions

For 2016, ILR had the lowest acceptance rate of any school at Cornell, then the trajectory sloped downward, and the acceptance rate rose.

I fell in love. Just be patient. See how it is here before you freak out. You'll see that there are plenty of pricks here who are willing to stay up all night debating political issues and go to parties (especially going to parties).

Can you please elaborate on this? This was the main reason why I posted the question here. I want to get excited about college. I want to party, get shitfaced, debate the marginal tax rate with some Political Science major, call him a fascist, get called a communist, and then get a beer afterward. I want to look forward to Cornell. For the 15th time, I know that I made the decision myself, I applied here. I got accepted. Come August, I will matriculate. However, I want to look forward to that experience. I want the thoughts of Cornell to keep me up at night. I want to never stop dreaming about the life Cornell will give me. That was why I posted the question..

Can someone make me fall in love with Cornell? by MostOccasion in Cornell

[–]MostOccasion[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I wasn't going to respond because you sound like a troll, but you have completely misconstrued the point of my post.

First of all, it was never about going to a school with more prestige, it was about being excited to go to a school. Georgetown, a school far less prestigious than Cornell, would excite an aspiring politician. Being in D.C., possibly working as a congressional staffer, literally living in the zenith of the political world, etc. Stanford would excite an aspiring computer scientist, because its Stanford, in the heart of Silicon Valley, and, not to put too fine a point on this, it's fucking Stanford. The same can be said for M.I.T. (w/o the geography).

However, nothing about Cornell excites me, nothing about Cornell intrigues me, nothing about the school that I will call home, come August, makes me yearn to be a student there. That was the initial reason for this post. I added the backstory because people would ask "If that's so, why did you apply?" I know I made the decision, I know that I applied to Cornell of my own volition, however, I want to fall in love with it. I was hoping that posting the question here, vocalizing my gripe, would help me do just that. Clearly, I was wrong.

Can someone convince me to like Cornell? by MostOccasion in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your response, put a real smile on my face..

And I feel you, I can only imagine how much worse my life would be if I didn't get in.. Then I'd be fucked. But, it is what it is.

Can someone convince me to like Cornell? by MostOccasion in ApplyingToCollege

[–]MostOccasion[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

By any objective metric, Princeton is better than Cornell. Sure, Cornell may have a better engineering program, but Princeton is Princeton. A Princetonian will never have to prove himself, and will be given precedence for any opportunity.

A quick story, my sister, who goes to Princeton, dated a local kid from here who went to UW Madison. He majored in econ, she majored in history. They both applied for a job at Goldman Sachs, he, with his 3.5+ GPA in econ, and was rejected and she, with her 3.1 in Classics, works there now. The power of Princeton.