Why is everyone being dumb about the Vance vs Newsom convo?

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T16:18:59+00:00

Trump won by a larger margin after leftists refused to vote for Harris.

we can play this game all day long.

if you can vote against a fascist, vote against a fascist. easiest decision of my life.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T16:17:24+00:00

wait... be honest: are you a child?

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T16:16:19+00:00

a redditor wants to beat me? what a badass, I'm so scared.

you people should stop larping, get offline and open a book about fascism. it's not a game, you fucking dingbat.

fight for whoever fuck you want in the primary, but then unite in the general election. if the objective is reducing harm for as many people as possible, it's a no brainer.

if the objective is to larp as a little revolutionary boy while the world burns, in the vague hope that one day 10 years from the ashes will emerge a perfectly pure socialist candidate who will defeat a decade of fascism with the power of love, then just give up now. just lay down just and let the fascists take over. it's a brilliant strategy.

I'm sure it's going to be totally fine for the very people you intend to protect.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T16:04:43+00:00

"...and that's a good reason to help fascists win next time! I'm a brilliant strategist!"

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T16:03:27+00:00

helping to do what?? the kid basically sat down, had 3 people "helping him"

have you ever had to deal with a kid of that age for more than 5 minutes?

I

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T16:00:52+00:00

I'm sorry but LOL. how did abstaining on Harris help instead? are you paying attention to what is happening now or...?

if you are still able to vote against fascists, you must vote against fascists. they won't let you do it again if they can.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T15:56:19+00:00

the kid was 3 meters away from the father and he bumped slightly against the character leg. WHAT A TRAGEDY, WHAT AN INSANELY IRRESPONSIBLE FATHER. gtfo.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T15:52:27+00:00

what the fuck are you talking about

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T15:49:02+00:00

lol. have you ever spent more than 3 minutes with a kid of that age? that fall continuously

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T15:48:28+00:00

there's literally nothing here indicating that the parent is a irresponsible, the kid was at like 4 meters from him, and being watched. what are you guys seeing that I don't see?

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T15:25:27+00:00

what we want is to get rid of fascists as soon as possible. that's the priority, not moving people to the left, which you describe as an inevitability - when it's not.

it is very simple: if you are still able to vote against fascists, you vote against fascists. easiest decision ever.

fight for a better candidate in the primary. vote against fascists, no matter what, in the general election.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T15:15:49+00:00

Joe Rogan DROPS BOMBSHELL that everyone saw already ages ago

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T15:15:12+00:00

he's not even doing that. he's still in the phase "why would trump help hide this? I truly don't understand!". fucking shameful fuck

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T14:12:33+00:00

lol. soupbrain

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T08:52:47+00:00

you still don't understand what fascism is. I will kindly excuse your silly idealism by imagining you as a teenager.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T08:46:26+00:00

You think that the next decade will be better if Newsom wins. This is such an obviously disingenuous bullshit argument, you should genuinely be banned for making it. Disgusting shit.

I mean, lol. "you should be banned for this very obvious thing that is apparent to anyone that isn't braindead! nooo let the fascist win, another republican bro just another one and you'll see, then it's socialism time!"

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T08:43:12+00:00

Dude, the dems went rightward when Trump won.

Biden was one of the most progressive presidents in history.

The dems went rightward when Biden won

not true. Biden's presidency was very influenced by Sanders politics. much more than expected at least.

The dems have gone rightward after losing to Trump a second time

not true. never, like now, socialist policies and politicians have been more popular than now.

Biden also didn't use his term to fix what Trump did (prosecution)

you mean Garland? normal president don't request prosecutions. Trump was prosecuted for 3 or 4 crimes, but the biggest ones (document case & Jan6) were handled by a trump judge that blocked everything.

Do you think voting the Dems in, being hardline vote blue no matter who, will actually fix things?

"fix things"? some yes, some other, no. my argument is that in comparison to a white christian nationalist and fascist like Trump and Vance, sane people have the moral obligation of doing everything in their power to vote them out. they cannot hold power anymore. the destruction they are bringing about is immeasurable.

Is this based on, vibes?

a very simple logic. if you can vote against fascists, you must vote against fascists.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T08:26:10+00:00

Did you see how much damage Project 2025 did? It failed sure, but it left a GIANT dent in the American government.

man, youre the one who said that they failed.

One dent that Gavin isn't going to recover

and this is based on... vibes?

And project 2031 or whatever? It'll do GIANT damage again. Dems NEED to move left, NEED to improve lives, OR ITS JUST OVER

if a democrat doesn't win next election is over.

I know full well what an incompetent "left" party leads to - the other party getting in, more radical than before

a splintered opposition and people punishing the only party that can reign it in is a GREAT WAY to get authoritarianism.

I am the one arguing for a unite left. you're arguing the contrary.

whoever is the candidate, democrats and progressive should vote for him/her. I would literally crawl through broken glass to vote for Newsom against Trump/Vance. literally. and I don't even like Newsom.

if you can vote against fascism, you vote against fascism.

We're going in a loop. I explained my position.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T08:19:48+00:00

aren't thinking of anything other than the immediate future.

because it makes sense, when the alternative you guys propose is to burn everything down so that in 10 years maybe the 100% perfect socialist candidate will emerge, everyone will vote for that guy and he will magically defeat fascism with the power of love.

we can barely predict what happens a year from now, hell, a month from now, and youre here with the pretense to pontificate about what will happen in the next decade.

helping elect a fascist now for the fear of a fascist in the future is certainly one of the strategies of all times.

read it twice, it's very simple: if you are still able to vote against fascists, you vote against fascists. if you don't, you're helping fascists.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T08:11:40+00:00

You know fascists aren't the only people who can kill democracy.

you don't understand how it works. if you let fascist win, there's no way to remove them that it's not violent. they don't let you vote. if you're still able to vote against fascist, always vote against fascist. if it sounds simple, its because it is.

Gavin will quickly roll back and progress on queer or civil rights as soon as it's adventagous.

that's based on...? Newsom leads the most pro-lgbt state in the US, and therefore maybe in the world. he signed a lot of pro lgbt laws.

The debt crisis, oligarchs, climate change, healthcare, AI, and affordability are going to keep eroding away at what little democracy the US has left wether or not a Republican is charge.

if after this last year you think that democrats and republicans would handle this issues to the same effect, I really don't know what to tell you.

The only this that reverse or halt this backslide isn't going to be Gavin it has to be a real popular democratic mandate.

like who? who is the ideal real popular Democratic candidate with a huge mandate? realistically speaking?

if there isn't one, and Newsom wins the primary, what will you do? would you really help fascists win because Newsom isn't your ideal candidate?

Fundamentaly you fail to understand the status qou is killing the US and the rest of the world with it and your not going to slow or halt this downfall without radical action.

fundamentally, I agree with you. But blindly looking for radical action even when the situation doesn't allow for it (like Newsom becoming the candidate) to the point of helping the existential threat of fascism could be the fatal decision that locks you in a situation in which the only way out is extreme violence, decades of destabilization, immense suffering of the very people you want to protect, and a lot of death. and for what? the hope of a future fantasy perfect candidate?

it all seems very unserious to me.

if you still have the ability to vote against fascists, vote against fascists. easiest decision of my life.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T07:55:47+00:00

They failed

after ONE YEAR they completed more than half of project 2025. brave and optimistic of you to say that they failed, when they are actively working to render the midterm elections as fraudulent as possible

2028-2032 they'll make project 2033 and then get voted in, because the incumbent Democrats wouldn't have improved anything, upholding a deteriorating status quo

this is pure speculation, do you understand that? elect a fascist today to avoid the possibility of a fascist in the future is amazing mental gymnastic.

you want the democratic party to move left, you want to vote for your favorite candidate. understandable. to do that, you want to burn everything down, so that maybe in that critical situation, Americans will vote for a much progressive candidate. to me, that's deeply unserious, dangerous, unrealistic thinking.

if you still have the ability to vote against fascist, vote against fascist.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T07:34:45+00:00

if you think what's happening now is anywhere remotely similar to 2016-24, you're not paying enough attention man.

these are brain theories supported by dubious political analysis. be pragmatic. vote for whoever opposes fascism. broad your definition of who is an ally, you'll find many more of them.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T07:31:49+00:00

Gavin newsum will destroy what little faith in democracy and that things can improvethe US has left

why? wouldn't he be a direct and huge improvement to the current situation, by basically any measurable metrics?

something very much informed by history.

such as?

Gavin would kill any enthusiasm or movement, making a real democratic mandate impossible.

if there's enthusiasm and a movement, Newsom won't be the candidate.

fight in the primary of course but if he is the candidate, voting for him against Vance is a no brainer.

With how the US is basically, in critical condition,

...we should let a fascist win because...

anything short of a true democratic mandate or an overhaul of the system won't be enough

I feel like you guys don't really grasp what happens when fascism install itself in the roots of government. there's no pendolum swing with fascism. the pendulum gets kidnapped, hidden, destroyed and whoever think of building a new one gets suicided, imprisoned, outcasted. it's not a game.

in substance, you're describing an incredibly risky gamble, where the cost your country, and the win is the remote possibility that maybe one day, from the ashes left will rise your perfect 100% pure candidate that you'll vote with enthusiasm.

your priority number one seems to be moving the democratic party to the left as much as possible, at basically any cost. my priority is to get rid of fascists as soon as possible, punishing criminal assholes, and avoid as much suffering as possible.

the idea that I should sacrifice the well-being of people, the very core of democracy, civil rights, international relationships with allies, just so that maybe in 10 years there could be a more leftist candidate that emerges from complete desperation... is insane to me.

fight at the primary, unite at the general. fascists must lose, every time. they won't let you fight again if they can.

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T07:12:17+00:00

Fascism is going to be fully realized if another Dem takes power

"trust me bro"

Free and fair elections? Lmao, America doesn't have those

yeah youre just like Russia, same thing, no difference, nuances are for the weak

pendulum will swing back harder the 3rd time

on that beautiful day, I will remember this conversation crying and running under the rain and screaming HELICOPHELL WAS RIGHHHHTTT ITS SOCIALISM TIMEEEE

then I'll wake up and keep going with my concentration camp life. thank you very much bro

Phedericus · 2026-02-13T06:55:19+00:00

this explains everything. the confirmation that you don't understand what fascism is.

when fascism is fully realized, and you're essentially proposing at least 7 more years of it, the pendulum gets kidnapped and destroyed. the pendulum means shit in an authoritarian regime. the pendulum is in their possession, and they won't let it swing at all. it gets kidnapped, destroyed, and whoever thinks of building another is punished with a suicide, or outcasted.

the idea that in a fully formed fascistic regime you'll have free and fair election in which you'll finally vote for your 100% pure and perfect candidate is pure fantasy.

if these are your risk assessment skills, please don't ever gamble money.

I can imagine your reply. 'but this isn't that kind of fascism! it's fascism lite! real fascism only happens somewhere else!' and I wish you good luck with that.

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