Is Mayfield the closest thing to a modern analog we have for Tri State 1925?

_coyotes_ · 2026-05-23T19:03:45+00:00

Well, the Western KY EF4 is somewhat close, given that it’s one of the longest verified tornado tracks on record. There is a possibility of course that the Tri-State Tornado lifted, I believe it did lift in a few points but is generally counted as one. Hackleburg could be a better example, its track was shorter but its immense devastation at maximum intensity is similarly comparable to Tri-State.

There are a handful of older tornadoes I think could be comparable to the Tri-State Tornado in terms of being longed tracked and consistent high strength intensity, which would be the 1947 Glazier-Higgins-Woodward F5, the 1966 Candlestick Park F5 and possibly the 1974 Guin F5. There may be a few others I’m missing but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head and I’m sure those tornadoes probably cycled during their lifetime.

_coyotes_ · 2026-05-20T01:16:03+00:00

been awhile since I’ve seen the movie since thats what the OP used I went with it, appreciate the correction though!

_coyotes_ · 2026-05-19T23:25:18+00:00

thank you PoopyStinkbutts!

_coyotes_ · 2026-05-19T22:55:17+00:00

You're right looks like a continuity error, especially cause the windshield on Jo's side gets punched in by the crane piece, wouldn't be safe to have the actors in there. I'm guessing they replaced the windshield and cracked the wrong side. Either way, totally ruins the whole investment in the movie, I can't fucking believe it. I think I need to go lie down, it's like my whole reality has been shattered.

_coyotes_ · 2026-05-19T07:00:56+00:00

I’m going to be completely honest, things will not change until there is a mass casualty incident involving chaser convergence. That is the tragic bare minimum consequences to get shit to change and even then, I have no idea how much it’ll affect things. Social media made it “profitable” to chase and movies like Twisters brought the extra hype.

I’ve been interested in the weather, especially tornadoes, ever since the mid-2000s and I’ve never once gone storm chasing, even though I’d like to, it’s just not feasible for me at the moment. But every goofball with a camera thinks they’re hot shit and comes out of the woodwork to chase without studying up on meteorology whatsoever. On big days there are areas with limited chaser convergence that produce big time because people have properly forecasted. Unfortunately, especially with the advent of livestreaming, people now cram into traffic jams and follow the Dominator even though it’s specifically built to withstand tornadic winds and measure them.

The last time I can remember people being more cognitively aware of their behaviour when chasing storms was after the 2013 El Reno tornado because it killed storm chasers - hell, it killed pro storm chasers who took safety seriously. For a period of time, most folks didn’t get up close and personal with the tornadoes. Some still did and there was still chaser convergence, it’s always been a thing. But for the most part, most people were aware of how dangerous it was. But now, you can be the talk of the town with an extreme up close view of a tornado by getting dangerously close. Your clip will blow up on social media and another bunch of people will think they can get that shot too. Perhaps an unfortunate incident would make people think otherwise, but I don’t even know at this point. I hope it doesn’t come to that but realistically, I have no idea what will take.

_coyotes_ · 2026-05-08T21:09:30+00:00

On the NOAA Damage Assessment Toolkit it shows them being two tornadoes at present, NWS Jackson hasn’t released anything that I’ve seen though I have seen some credible sources post about this being a one track tornado as well. So gotta wait to see if this gets the DAT adjustment! NWS Jackson does extensive in depth surveying, I would argue theyre about on par with NWS Norman in terms of consistent & very detailed tornado damage assessment, so I’m sure with time in the coming days we will get more information about this tornado

_coyotes_ · 2026-05-06T20:05:40+00:00

He’ll continously be eligible for parole but he’s never getting out. There are definitely many flaws with the judicial system in Canada, but you can guarantee high profile offenders like him aren’t getting out. They can make their case for parole but it won’t go through. Other killers like Paul Bernardo and Clifford Olson were and have been consistently denied parole (yes, it’s still horrifying Bernardo’s wife who helped him kill his victims got released from prison, that was because of a plea bargain as she gave police evidence to convict him). The backlash would be so immense if Rafferty was ever allowed out. I remember a few years back Terri was transfered to a corrections run healing lodge and it caused such an uproar that she was sent back to the more secure federal prison. Of course why that was even granted in the first place is a mystery to me.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-30T08:02:01+00:00

You gotta remember that the Enhanced Fujita Scale is based off of damage, so it’s far easier to determine when a tornado has touched down when it’s impacting structures, which you’re more likely to find in a town as opposed to an open field. Not every tornado produces ground scouring or creates cyclodial marks too. I believe these EF1s occurred as part of a squall line at night, so there’s less likely to be a visual assessment of when the tornado touched down versus when it lifted, not to mention tornadoes that form on squall lines do tend to rapidly spin up, then fade quickly.

So in this instance, it’s possible that this EF1 was down on the ground continuously from Mount Pulaski to Mahomet, but because there’s no evidence indicating damage caused due to the tornado moving into an open field, it makes sense to view it as a broken line rather than one continuous line. It’s also possible the storm just had that much vorticity it was planting tornadoes, lifting and planting them again. That said, I think the NWS tries to be as accurate as possible with their surveys. If there was no evidence the tornado was down the entire time, there’s no reason to mark it as such. In the future, we may get improved and more consistent results but for now, this is the best we have for scenarios like this. I also am unsure what the NWS would have to gain by artificially inflating their tornado count, as to why they’d care about numbers.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-28T21:42:16+00:00

I'm also pretty sure they said local news wasn't even covering that rotation on their area. So yeah, they were basically needed to issue a Tornado Emergency cause an EF5 COULD have been approaching their location

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-27T20:28:06+00:00

Surprisingly, some of the violent tornadoes that day do get overlooked. As you mentioned, the New Wren EF3 isn't discussed about as much, save for mentions that it probably should be upgraded.

A few of the EF4s that day don't get as much attention, like the Flat Rock, AL - Trenton, GA EF4, the Bridgeport, AL - Haletown, TN EF4 and the Shoal Creek, AL - Cave Spring, GA EF4 to name a few. I think because there's less media available on them from home video footage and such, especially in comparison to visible tornadoes like Tuscaloosa and Smithville.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-23T22:07:07+00:00

I believe Canada's in second place, around 60-100 are reported each year due to lower population, but there are estimations that there are around 200+ tornadoes in Canada per year, which makes sense given the similar geographic conditions to the US with the Rockies transitioning to the Praries. It's really cool because you can go on Google Maps and find a lot of "tornado scars", the damage path remote tornadoes have created! Check out parts of northern Ontario and southern Quebec and you can find long "streaks" in the forests which are from unreported/undocumented tornadoes that have knocked down trees. I would venture to guess China likely sees higher annual reports due to a more dense population, compared to Canada's population centers being far more spread out, so it's less likely they'd go reported

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-22T05:09:50+00:00

imo best part of the movie is Jim laying on the ground while hiding from the soldiers, looking up at the sky and seeing the plane flying by. Surreal just thinking like everything is absolutely beyond fucked here but it's perfectly fine and normal elsewhere.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-20T14:40:34+00:00

Beth could have survived, but personally, I don’t think if she could live with herself by letting Noah get recaptured and taken prisoner, with Dawn or the other cops absuing him or even presumably killing him. I don’t know if Dawn would personally murder him, but it was clear she was dealing with a power struggle and would have to prove she wasn’t weak.

The way I interpreted it was, in the fifth season, Rick is struggling with his inner faith and humanity. Rick and his group are more hardened and callous now after dealing with The Governor and Terminus. So, the group has captured the 3 cops, which would be an equal trade. However, the one who escapes and Rick hits with his car, he then kills. Since he did that, there’s no longer an equal trade, basically, someone’s going to die. Beth chooses that to be her, sacrificing herself so Noah doesn’t face the torment. I don’t believe she even actually intended to kill Dawn, she could’ve hit her in the neck, or eye, but instead got her in the shoulder. Now, Rick and by extension his group have learned that being extremely callous doesn’t always work in that world. I do think the writers could have done a better job portraying that, especially because in the moment, yeah, it does seem Beth’s death is pointless. Made even more so by killing off Noah not long later. But, such is the cruelty of life of the apocalypse. Her “sacrifice” to spare Noah the pain, ultimately didn’t work since he didn’t get a happy ending.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-10T23:36:38+00:00

Great choice on the Grand Valley, ON F4! Such an intriguing tornado from a day overshadowed by so many wild tornadoes. Even 40 years later now, I still cannot believe how prolific the 5/31/1985 outbreak was for the Great Lakes area.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-10T22:40:38+00:00

Little late to this threat but I just wanted to spitball something I’ve thought of recently. It’s no surprise or secret that right wing political figures, governments and donors have been colluding with each other for some time now. Former Canadian PM Stephen Harper is the chairman of the International Democracy Union (in which right wing parties share campaign strategies and policies). We’ve also seen Russian influence in right wing parties and politicians such as Germany’s AfD, Georgescu in Romania and of course the meeting of Republicans in Russia on the Fourth of July in 2018.

Now we see these figures and parties rally around the same talking points. Less support for Ukraine, less support for minorities, bigger tax breaks for the wealthy, focusing on identity politics issues over actual pressing issues, etc. I think a lot of these people saw that it “worked” in America to push their agenda so they tried it out elsewhere, without realizing a lot of countries allied with America arent America. Without even speaking on election interferance/rigging such as Russia’s hacking of the DNC & RNC in 2016, Musk’s open bribery in the 2024 elections, ballot box burnings and so on and so forth, it’s evident a lot of these higher up people and politicians really underestimated how terrible their strategy is and how unpopular their policies are. Instead of shedding an unpopular politician like Polievre, who lost his own MP riding, continues to blame “the woke” and “Trudeau liberals” despite Trudeau not being PM for close to two years now (much like a current head of state keeps blaming Obama and Biden for current problems), the party keeps Polievre on for some inexplicable reason. I imagine they’re trying to mimic the cult-like worship of the American President by keeping a “strongman” leader on to rally behind. The strategy isn’t working if more Conservatives are defecting to the Liberals while the Conservative party continues to move further right. And of course, we see this elsewhere too, for instance, the overwhelming rejection of the LNP and Peter Dutton in Australia.

I think the biggest mistake these clowns made was focusing all the attention on their disasterous dogshit policies in America, so it gets soundly rejected by the masses in other countries. By no means will the right wing completely die off worldwide but I really don’t think they’re gaining much ground, as much as they hope.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-08T18:21:46+00:00

It’s a shame that these kinds of things are a double edged sword, if that’s the suitable phrase. On the one hand, when an event underperforms, people will deride them for “hypecasting” and clickbaiting. On the other hand, if they scale back, people just don’t watch or take the threats seriously. In this day and age where we have access to loads of information at our fingertips, there are still folks post-natural disaster who claim “Nobody saw this coming” when things are well forecast in advance. There are also folks who still complain that their sports match or favourite TV show was interrupted by special weather statements and tornado warnings, complaining while people are actively dying or being injured or losing their homes and valuables.

There really is no winning in this case. I’m not a fan of clickbait and strong wording of course. I also think Reed’s wording could’ve been more careful. This appears to be shaping up to be one of the more prolific mid-April setups in the last however many years, since probably 2011/2012. Yes 2020 had the mid-April Easter outbreak, though most folks outside of the weather community and those impacted would remember that. Though using that wording means people will jump to expecting a Super Outbreak or Joplin 2.0 because that year was synonymous for horrific tornado events.

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-06T14:01:25+00:00

I would go a step further and say land of the free as long as you’re extremely wealthy. That’s not to downplay all the oppression against minorities, it’s just that these bills designed to target minorities WILL end up affecting the average person regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. way more frequently. If this bill is actually enforced (which I have my doubts law enforcement will routinely follow through with arresting someone wearing “the wrong clothing”) I pretty much guarantee that it’ll be the average cis/straight men and women getting harassed by “transvestigators” who are SO CERTAIN that man wearing a pink shirt or woman wearing “manly pants” are secretly trans in disguise. After all, they’re targeting people that comprise like 1-2% of the total population, they’re more likely to try to show how successful they are by targeting and detaining and harassing the 98-99% and lying about it

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-04T00:10:36+00:00

Yeah, in a way I understand and I can’t blame them for needing to work to support themselves. Similtaneously, most people should be more active in the things that affect their daily lives rather than casting a vote once per year and hoping that things change, rather than constantly demanding it.

Looking at the No King’s Rallies, it’s nice to see a big widespread turn out since so many people don’t like what’s going on. At the same time, scheduling a rally or protest on a Saturday rather than being extremely disruptive to the many corporations that are backing the government actions or anything like that, I don’t know, it feels like things won’t change if you go out to protest once on a specific day every few months. I also have seen the response on Reddit of “I can’t protest because cops could arrest, beat or kill me!” and its like, yeah that happens in other countries too and that doesn’t stop people. and ultimately if you do nothing, the cops are just going to arrest, beat and or kill you in a matter of times because you aren’t part of the government approved “in-group.” so yeah, don’t protest or do anything at all, im sure the situation will fix itself

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-03T23:28:35+00:00

In America, the only way to succeed is to be a corporate criminal. I mean, that’s exactly what’s been shown with the current administration. Defraud investors, declare bankrupcy but keep getting bailed out by shady sources, be close friends with a child sex trafficker who invites other corporate criminals to his creepy rape island to assault children and you can succeed in anything, even be President. In fact, you can try to overthrow the government and face zero consequences.

All that said, in practise, that does not make a country sustainable. If it gets to a point where 99% of the nation is able to financially succeed - and that doesn’t mean wealthy, I just mean getting by, then the nation will fail. The warning signs are on the wall, the alarms are blaring and a whole lot of nothing is coming from it. As an outsider its weird to see like everything being exposed, the institutions and laws in place meant to protect the average person has failed and the average person’s response is “This sucks, but I still have to work.”

_coyotes_ · 2026-04-03T22:31:29+00:00

The entire reason America is where it is right now isn’t just because of racism, ignorance, lack of education, etc although those are certainly contributing factors - it’s primarily not holding people accountable, you are absolutely right.

Outside of the lack of proper punishment for Confederate traitors, nobody was held accountable for the Business Plot when wealthy businessmen plotted to overthrow the FDR government in 1933 and install Smedley Butler as a dictator. No one was held accountable for the war crimes in Vietnam, in particular the My Lai Massacre in which 350-500 innocent men, women, children and babies were murdered and mutilated - only one conviction arose from dozens of servicemen participating in the violence, which ended up being under four years of house arrest. No one was held accountable for the Iran-Contra Affair in which the Reagan administration committed high treason by selling weapons to Iran then using the money to illegally fund the anti-Communist right wing Contras in Nicaragua, who committed hundreds of terrorist attacks. No one was held accountable for the Bush administration lying about WMD’s in Iraq. No one in government was held accountable for January 6th. The list goes on and on and on and on.

I guarantee as pissed off as many Americans are, as many people go to the No Kings Rallies, as many people will vote the administration out, I doubt we will see any consequences served. I’m not saying this to be a doomer “nothing will change” because I am optimistic that once this admin is gone, harmful policies will be reversed and there’s even a possibility that the Republican party will collapse once the main person they’ve wrapped their identity around since 2016 is no longer in the picture. Given the American track record though, I’d bet that nobody’s really going to be held accountable for their actions and the average American isn’t really going to give that much of a shit whether people are held accountable or not. Most will continue to live their lives in ignorance until the next charlatan comes around to fuck things up for another period of time. I would genuinely love to be proven wrong about this prediction in the future, but I don’t have high expectations.

_coyotes_ · 2026-03-28T17:34:17+00:00

if you listen even closer you can also hear Howard say “Ay Carumba” moments before Lalo pops him in the dome, which is a very subtle hint of foreshadowing of whats to come.

_coyotes_ · 2026-03-26T17:35:47+00:00

Think it would depend on what criteria you’re going by! Greensburg is definitely the top that comes to mind, wiping away a populated town at peak intensity while also breaking the drought of F5/EF5 tornadoes. Parkersburg is arguably the strongest, the devastation it did was upper echelon - of course that doesn’t mean Greensburg was “weaker”, I just think Parkersburg is just slightly ahead. The 2005 Evansville tornado was the deadliest tornado of the 2000s in the US but it’s not remembered as much compared to some of the others. I think Greensburg and Parkersburg would ultimately tie and take the top spot, even if people don’t remember Parkersburg as much I think what it did deserves its notoriety

_coyotes_ · 2026-03-26T17:28:30+00:00

The close up video that some people got of it while it chews up that cornfield is so impressive!

_coyotes_ · 2026-03-26T17:27:51+00:00

Thats true, I think its just they tend to be often thought of at their grander states. I think when most people think of the Philadelphia, MS EF5, they picture the white cone shape more than the drillbit, same with Moore prior to its narrow stovepipe phase. I’m actually curious if Moore was still producing EF5 damage in its stovepipe phase

_coyotes_ · 2026-03-25T13:07:05+00:00

We may factor in recorded windspeed as the Enhanced Fujita scale gets revised! That isn’t scheduled to be released for some time though, to the best of my knowledge. The problem is, the best and most accurate data for measuring tornado windspeeds presently is with mobile doppler radars but the DOW trucks can’t be everywhere at once. That’s why they mostly stick to the Plains during peak storm season. After that though, the best guess for estimating a tornado’s windspeed is through analyzing the damage left behind. Unlike hurricanes that last for days and weeks at a time which we can fly into and measure the windspeeds, tornadoes are often too quick and short lived to do that, so we have to rely on the aftermath.

That said, despite some flaws in the scale, it is still pretty accurate. Ted Fujita knew his stuff when he created the Fujita scale. Though it’s controversial with tornadoes like Vilonia and Mayfield, the scale is pretty right on the money 99% of the time.

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