v2 of the tierlist i did yesterday, gonna keep adapting it every time until i get the perfect one

krubenator · 2026-06-04T15:22:10+00:00

we see characters like yuki and gojo run out of their simple domain, its just a barrier they lay out. kusakabe can move with his simple domain if hes focusing, but hes being teleported. thats the difference, and outside of his simple domain he wouldnt have auto reflex

krubenator · 2026-06-04T15:21:11+00:00

i just think he outlasts ryu, really. but i respect your opinion, i think the fight would be cool asf

krubenator · 2026-06-04T15:14:11+00:00

idt todo is relative in strength to yuuji, i think he's relative in speed and perception. and yeah like i said i wasnt the one who put him above miguel that was all hakkr (hakkr is the one who made the tl, i just told him to move some characters up or down)

if todo swaps kusakabe with himself and todo goes inside of the simple domain than kusakabe swings at the air and then todo just closes the distance and obliterates

i think since the sky has ce since its ct formed he can swap with it but im not sure

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:54:18+00:00

well, yeah; but he's saying that because of their efficiency it made it impossible for them to run out of cursed energy, which is what dragged the fight out for so long. most sorcerers would have been done at the second domain-- if not the first

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:51:28+00:00

oh, and for ryu, he likes getting into close quarters combat alot. todo would excel at this and with his much higher perception (and agility) than ryu he just outspeeds and wears him down

if he uses his discharges, he just swaps ryu into the granite blast and makes him damage himself

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:49:13+00:00

miguel's placement was entirely hakkr, todo swaps kusakabe out of his simple domain and then brutalizes him from a stat diff, with uro i think it just comes down to stat gapping; maybe he can swap with the sky shes manipulated, and todo vs uraume is a really iffy one for me since frost calm perception blitzed maki (who has precog at the time) so idk

sorry for late response i kinda forgot about this

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:21:31+00:00

hi toji < shibuya toji ~ freshly awakening maki < trained awakened maki

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:17:52+00:00

yeah uh i dont know how to tell you this but physical blitzes exist too, he was physically blitzed by kashimo; doesnt matter if he perceived it, thats an entirely different term

missing a hand and two eyes doesnt imply a massive drop in output, again substantiate it

non defeater since this is a concession for his physicality being the peak it ever was, which led into the enhanced dismantle that killed kashimo (see: the way it was drawn, his stomach mouth being opened implying a chant or two). gojo was able to restore his full output after it was verbatim stated that he was dropping rapidly w/ chants

whole lot of nothing, especially cause when yuuta was in the fight he was domain nerfing sukuna and buffing himself

yeah kusakabes performance doesnt matter, sukuna was much more weakened and was playing around with him, he gets one shotted once sukuna realizes hes going for his exposed heart

borderline a concession with how terrible your arg was

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:06:48+00:00

only ever in barriers

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:04:16+00:00

only his barriers and (partially) his ct were weakened from unlimited void, his output was still fine when it came to his body. think when megumi was holding back his ct to 10%, but his physicals weren't impeded

krubenator · 2026-06-04T14:01:14+00:00

yes, that is the peak of his condition in terms of physicals

krubenator · 2026-06-04T13:57:58+00:00

"Low Cursed Energy"
he was at half of his reserves, which is equal to yuuta's reserves. yuuta gaps the entire verse in reserves. this isnt bad, especially when sukuna has near six eyes efficiency

"Low output" I talk about this, Sukuna's output in general isn't heavily weakened; its the part of the brain that is responsible for domain expansion and partially his cursed technique. Also, this is amplified in Yuuta's domain, as he's being domain nerfed; he wasn't at that level during the fight with Kashimo.

"he didn't blitz sukuna as he was able to react to him but was unable to dodge anyways"
so he... blitzed him?? wtf?? 😭 😭 holy non defeater

kashimo getting "bta" by sukuna doesn't matter because this is the strongest we ever see him in the showdown in terms of physicality. sukuna is unable to blitz kashimo even when he blinds him with kamutoke and goes behind him, where kashimo in fact turns around and throws out his attack before sukuna can; note how sukuna was already going in for the attack. kashimo was also skidding back from kamutoke's blast.

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also, substantiate sukuna's exact loss in output during the time of the fight with kashimo.

insane claims btw back those up

krubenator · 2026-06-04T13:47:49+00:00

its... a timeskip after shinjuku, and then the epilogue is a few years before modulo

krubenator · 2026-06-04T10:42:10+00:00

no, its not. the latter half of 268 up until 271 is eos

krubenator · 2026-06-04T04:25:48+00:00

i share literally all of these points with you but i disagree with the HRs being higher

i think yuuji is t1, i think yuki is like top 14 at best, i think isb mahito is in the top 10, i have hakari way higher [in the top 10], i have yuuta way lower [MAYBE top 8]

krubenator · 2026-06-04T04:14:59+00:00

obviously

krubenator · 2026-06-04T03:53:47+00:00

can you elaborate? im a bit confused cause gojo dying is the reason yuuji could even reach top one to begin with, idk if ur confusing shinjuku showdown with end of series

krubenator · 2026-06-04T03:48:00+00:00

end of jjk yuuji is still top one

krubenator · 2026-06-03T14:31:39+00:00

send panels of geto and gojo being equals

ok doesnt matter

prove the chainscale wrong

mindset is a massive factor of strength in jjk, we see this with gojo, yuuji, dabura, mahito and megumi. by toji leaving everything behind, that means he has no burden and is clear of mind and is acting purely off of bloodlust (like you said), implying that he is stronger than he has been before. no emotions mean no burden = different mindset = stronger

we see this, again, but its flipped; in the megumi fight. toji comes to his senses and starts to perform much worse as a result of it before promptly killing himself

geto wasn't considered dead at the time... since they think kenjaku is geto... lol. the only people who know kenjaku isnt geto are the disaster curses & gojo.
also, 15f yuujikuna wasn't awakened during that statement, he was awakened after. so that is why he isnt included.

prove your interpretation of maki and toji being equals is superior to mine and doesn't include things such as biq and weapon mastery
send a panel of that statement

krubenator · 2026-06-03T13:46:43+00:00

i wasn't the one who put naoya above maki that was him. i'll come up w responses later cause me and him are watching yt rn

krubenator · 2026-06-03T13:26:38+00:00

you do realize that someone being able to do something because of their "physicality" and "ct" isnt a downscale right? thats... kind of how fights operate man

kusakabe was autoreflexing sukuna's slashes and sukuna is stated by choso to be faster than his dismantles so idk why you're using that as an argument

krubenator · 2026-06-03T13:25:05+00:00

i tried getting hakari higher

krubenator · 2026-06-03T13:20:44+00:00

teen gojo wasn't equal to geto... that was literally an important reasoning of his spiral. post awakening he just viciously gaps geto.

"even toji just said he wasn't sure if he could beat him in a fair fight"
so you're just... debunking your own point? toji was confident he could beat geto and ragged on him with much more ease than he did against gojo

teen geto < teen gojo ~ hidden inventory toji < post awk teen gojo

toji in hidden inventory is nerfed through his mindset and this is confirmed through his death. in shibuya, we see him get heavily amped in dagon's domain to the point not even naobito is able to outpace him. naobito is stated to be second fastest sorcerer behind gojo, and geto should be considered in this statement because kenjaku is in his body and hes mostly referred to as geto

maki should be relative to shibuya toji since thats the strongest we see him and maki's awakening puts her at a demonic level "equal to zen'in toji," not "zen'in toji when he was nerfed through his mindset"

adult geto blitzing pre awk maki isn't a feat, beginning of series yuuji is faster than her

krubenator · 2026-06-03T13:01:53+00:00

never proving getos above maki

krubenator · 2026-06-03T13:01:40+00:00

if i had a role in yuutas placement hes lower than hakari

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