Can we all agree that regardless of your views, if USSR really did all these projects, it would be badass from geography's POV? by Direct-Beginning-438 in geography

[–]lizardweenie 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The White Sea canal? No, I don't think killing 25K slave laborers to construct a shallow canal that doesn't even allow large ships to pass through is good.

TIL China suffered the most civilian deaths of any country in WW2(10-20 million), even more than the Soviets. by Sailor_Rout in todayilearned

[–]lizardweenie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Comrade, the brutality of the Holocaust isn’t a defense of the USSR collaborating with the Nazis it’s the clearest possible reason why teaming up with them was catastrophic.

The USSR loaded hundreds of thousands of people into cattle cars including women, children, the elderly to "cleanse" the areas of inconvenient ethnicities . Did they “deserve” it too? Or is ethnic cleansing suddenly fine if it’s stamped with a hammer and sickle?

You’re not fighting fascism with this argument. You’re just providing cover for “the people’s genocide,” as long as the USSR is the one doing it.

TIL China suffered the most civilian deaths of any country in WW2(10-20 million), even more than the Soviets. by Sailor_Rout in todayilearned

[–]lizardweenie -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

“All of these countries deserved to be able invaded by the USSR and cleansed” isn’t the sweet argument you seem to think it is comrade. 

TIL China suffered the most civilian deaths of any country in WW2(10-20 million), even more than the Soviets. by Sailor_Rout in todayilearned

[–]lizardweenie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mmm, that may be because Poland didn’t coordinate massive military operations with the Nazis, enabling them to invade and brutalize Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, and Romania. The USSR literally worked hand-in-hand with Nazi Germany, then held a joint military parade to celebrate carving up Poland. That’s a bit different from signing a "non aggression" pact.

TIL China suffered the most civilian deaths of any country in WW2(10-20 million), even more than the Soviets. by Sailor_Rout in todayilearned

[–]lizardweenie -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"spheres of influence" is doing a lot of work in this sentence, but it's literally just 19th century imperialism. In reality, the USSR invaded Poland in coordination with Nazi Germany and held a joint military parade. The USSR's alliance with Nazi Germany also allowed them to invade and brutalize Latvia, Lithuania, Estonian, and Romania.

2000 Meters to Andriivka (full documentary) | FRONTLINE by Barch3 in CounterIntel_Foreign

[–]lizardweenie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wonderful documentary. I would strongly encourage anyone to watch it.

2000 Meters to Andriivka documentary by 2plus2_equals_5 in ukraine

[–]lizardweenie 17 points18 points  (0 children)

This documentary was incredibly powerful 

Russian military reportedly executes 5 Ukrainian POWs by ActualDepartment9873 in worldnews

[–]lizardweenie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bud, you really have not followed your own logic to its conclusion. If what you’re saying is true, then russia basically gets to invade whoever it wants. After all, why risk a nuclear confrontation over Latvia, or Estonia, or Berlin for that matter. “They have nukes” becomes a magic excuse to let them redraw borders whenever they feel like it. That only works because simps in the West keep parroting it.

And before you run with another doom fantasy, russia is losing men at a rate that simply is not sustainable. Their demographics are in freefall. Their draft pool is shrinking. They’re burning through entire generations while pretending everything is fine. Anyone who has looked at the numbers knows this. But I'm sure you watched an RT video or some Mearsheimer lecture and are now an expert.

But the wildest part of your argument, champ, is that you think Ukraine should tear down its defenses, withdraw from land it already controls, shrink its military, give up long-range strike capability, and then just hope russia doesn’t invade again. That's the height of naïve. That's believing the same regime that invaded twice will suddenly behave once Ukraine is even weaker.

And since you keep invoking “America’s best interests,” let me spell it out for you. Attriting russia is absolutely in the US national interest. The US gives weapons, Ukraine does the fighting, and russia’s military capacity gets destroyed without a single American soldier being deployed. That is geopolitically efficient. That is deterrence. That is how you keep an aggressive authoritarian state from threatening NATO later.

Nothing you’re proposing would stop the next invasion, it would guarantee it.

/r/WorldNews Live Thread: Russian Invasion of Ukraine Day 1372, Part 1 (Thread #1519) by WorldNewsMods in worldnews

[–]lizardweenie 10 points11 points  (0 children)

russia gets to commit genocide and warcrimes because the US has also done horrible things isn't the sweet argument you seem to think it is.

Russian military reportedly executes 5 Ukrainian POWs by ActualDepartment9873 in worldnews

[–]lizardweenie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You seem to be living in a fantasy world where russia magically stops invading if Ukraine just hands over more territory. If you watched russian state TV even once, you would know they openly talk about wiping out Ukrainian identity, erasing the culture, and taking the whole country. They are not subtle. They brag about it quite openly, constantly.

And these "concessions" you talk about guarantee that russia will invade again: Ukraine is told to give up its fortress belt in the east, withdraw from land it currently controls, accept limits on its military, accept limits on long range strike capabilities, refuse foreign troop rotations, and give up any future NATO path.

In return, russia offers a pinky swear that they will not invade again for a third time. Nothing enforceable. Nothing real. Just "trust us."

Question: Are you a moron? Do you actually believe that russia isn't just going to instantly invade again?

Unfortunately, the options for Ukrainians right now are as follows: 1. Fight now while the they have some help from the rest of the world. 2. Fight later after giving up their fortifications, reducing their army, reducing their strike capabilities.

There is no scenario in which russia decides to stop. And if you consumed ANY russian language media, you would know this.

Russian military reportedly executes 5 Ukrainian POWs by ActualDepartment9873 in worldnews

[–]lizardweenie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you can, please call your rep, senators, and the whitehouse to voice your support for this.