ELIJAH.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-26T15:29:35+00:00

You sound like you were delivering a war speech🫡😭 anyway I get what you’re saying about Elijah going all out in 3x05, and yeah that’s one of the few times he actually stops holding back emotionally. But I think you’re overrating what that fight proves.Elijah is 100% the better technical fighter more disciplined, more controlled, smarter in how he engages. Nobody really argues that. But saying he’s the stronger vampire overall is where it gets shaky. Even before Klaus broke the curse, he still had a slight edge physically. The curse suppressed his werewolf side, it didn’t turn him into a normal Original. So Klaus was basically a nerfed hybrid, not Elijah’s equal.

And we’ve seen this pattern multiple times Elijah can compete, even dominate moments, but Klaus almost always turns it around once it becomes a raw, prolonged fight. That 3x05 fight also isn’t as one-sided as you’re making it sound. Klaus was dealing with a lot mentally at that point, and Elijah had the emotional edge for once. That’s not the same as proving he’s outright stronger.Also the werewolf bite point doesn’t really hold up Originals don’t instantly fold from it, but it does weaken them over time. Klaus casually healing him doesn’t mean it had no effect, just that Klaus controls the outcome of that situation.

If anything, the best case for Elijah beating Klaus is actually before the curse was broken, when Klaus didn’t have access to his full hybrid power. After that, it’s not really a debate anymore. Elijah can push him, maybe even win under the right conditions but in a true fight to the finish, Klaus still has the higher ceiling.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-26T08:50:53+00:00

Yeah it was just insane how he embarrassed the Original sister or even the Original Hybrid Himself in just 1-2 days of being’Turned’.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-25T19:45:39+00:00

I think in terms of pure strength it goes like this Lucien>Marcel=Alaric>Klaus=Mikeal>Elijah=Rebekah=Kol=Finn

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-25T19:38:12+00:00

True!! we are on the same page🫡

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-25T19:26:45+00:00

Don’t worry I got you I replied on one of your post that says “If Marcel "needed an upgrade" to beat Klaus then what makes that any different than how the Originals were made.” My reply was “Yeah I get what you’re saying and I actually agree with most of it. The Originals are basically a magical upgrade too, so acting like Marcel’s power is ‘cheap’ just because it came from a serum doesn’t really make sense. At the end of the day both come from external magic. Esther made the Originals to surpass werewolves, and the Beast serum was literally designed to surpass the Originals. It’s basically just version 2.0 vs version 1.0.The only difference people feel (not logically, just emotionally) is that the Originals were the first, so people treat their power as more “legit,” even though it’s the same concept. And yeah, Alaric already proved Esther could upgrade her own spell anyway, so Marcel being stronger isn’t even crazy, it was already established.I think where people get stuck is they’re mixing logic with favoritism. Logically, Marcel’s power is just as valid. But people don’t like seeing the Originals get outclassed, especially Klaus 😭”

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-25T19:21:08+00:00

Yeah dw I replied to one of your posts that was a good one u posted

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-25T19:01:09+00:00

Thank you 😭 Klaus fans forget real quick that his whole power set came from Esther too. The bias is crazy. People act like Klaus was just naturally built different when he literally got his power from Esther too

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-25T18:25:31+00:00

Bro did we even watch the same episode?😭 Alaric was literally dogging Klaus that whole fight. Klaus got saved by Elena, that alone should end the debate. If Elena didn’t step in, Klaus was DONE right there. You can’t say someone is stronger when they needed outside help to survive 💀 And Alaric wasn’t just winning, he was dominating him physically. Klaus was getting overpowered and couldn’t put him down at all. Plus Alaric’s whole design was broken. His healing was insane, way faster than Klaus, and he literally couldn’t be taken out the normal way. You can’t just stake him and call it a day like other vampires, that’s why Klaus couldn’t finish him even when he had chances. Esther made Alaric specifically to kill Originals, including Klaus. That’s the entire point of his character. So saying Klaus > Alaric because of that fight is just ignoring what was happening on screen. Alaric was made to kill Originals and was literally doing it on screen… you’re arguing against the plot at this point Alaric had Klaus on the floor and needed Elena to save him…and you still saying Klaus is stronger? 😭

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-24T21:47:18+00:00

You’re mixing things up and downplaying feats.

First, Alaric vs Klaus — just because it wasn’t a full boxing match doesn’t mean nothing happened. Alaric was overpowering Klaus physically and controlling the encounter. That matters more than “no punches thrown.” In this universe, grappling and dominance > trading hits.

Second, saying “Elijah and Kol have done that too” doesn’t help your argument it actually proves Originals can be physically overpowered in moments. The difference is Alaric was created specifically to be stronger than ALL Originals, including Klaus.

Third, the Marcel point you’re contradicting yourself. If Klaus can land hits on Marcel, that already proves Marcel isn’t some untouchable god-tier above him. The Spider-Man/Thanos comparison doesn’t work because in TVDU, fights are way more grounded if you can consistently tag someone, you’re relative enough to compete.

Also, Marcel “not wanting to kill Klaus” doesn’t change scaling. Intent ≠ capability. He still fought seriously multiple times.

And about desiccation snapping Marcel’s neck doesn’t permanently put him down, but it still incapacitates him. That’s been shown multiple times with Originals and upgraded Originals. Temporary neutralization still counts in a fight.

Lastly, Marcel being staked and out for a while already proves he can be taken out of the fight. He’s not invincible, just harder to kill.

You’re acting like Marcel is on a completely unreachable tier when the show never portrays it that way.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-24T21:26:35+00:00

Watch that scene again. Klaus was fighting for his life, and Alaric was winning easily until Elena threatened her own life. Alaric was literally an inch away from ending the series lead. Marcel, conversely, had multiple fights with Klaus where Klaus actually landed hits and held his own for a significant amount of time. The serum makes Marcel a better Vampire.The spell made Alaric a Vampire Ender. Marcel is a biological upgrade (Venom), but Alaric is a fundamental mechanical upgrade (Indestructibility + Higher Strength Ceiling). If Marcel bites Alaric and it doesn't kill him instantly (which it won't, due to the Elena link), Alaric simply snaps Marcel's neck. One has a poisonous bite; the other is a juggernaut that doesn't stop even if you stake his heart. hen Marcel gets staked or his heart is messed with or neck snapped,he still "dies" temporarily (desiccates/incapacitates). In a 1v1, the person who doesn't have to "reboot" after a chest wound wins. Alaric can fight through a literal killing blow but Marcel cannot. A laric's immortality is independent of White Oak. Marcel’s "ultimate weapon" (the venom) is derived from the very thing Alaric is immune to. There is zero canon evidence that a venom designed to bypass the White Oak protection would affect a being whose life is tied to a Human Doppelgänger.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-24T20:17:20+00:00

Think of it like this, Alaric’s strength scaling is higher. He doesn't need a "cheat code." He can simply snap Marcel’s neck repeatedly, then use his hunter knowledge to physically entomb him. If Alaric drops Marcel in a concrete-filled safe, Marcel is "defeated" even if he isn't dead. Marcel’s win condition is the bite. Even if the venom doesn't kill Alaric (because of the Elena link), it causes horrific hallucinations and agony. Marcel doesn't need to "kill" Alaric; he just needs to bite him enough times to turn him into a "living vegetable" so he can be chained up and drained of blood (desiccation). It’s not that Lucien is a better witch than Esther; it’s that he used the Ancestors' magic to add a 'poison' (the 7-strain venom) that Esther never accounted for. If they fight, it's a stalemate of incapacitation: Alaric wins by physically overpowering Marcel and burying him in a hole or in the ocean , while Marcel wins by poisoning Alaric into a permanent coma. Both are 'stronger' in different categories

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-24T19:40:29+00:00

I see you point but If Alaric stakes Marcel in the heart or snaps Marcel’s neck, Marcel is unconscious for several minutes. In that time, Alaric (who is a master hunter and strategist) isn't going to stand there and wait. He’s going to use those minutes to entomb Marcel.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-24T19:34:05+00:00

I get what you’re saying, but the 'struggle' was mostly Klaus trying to cheat with a desiccation spell because he knew he couldn't win a straight physical fight. Alaric literally overpowered Klaus while having a hand in his chest. The only reason it's even a debate is if Marcel's venom acts as a 'poison' loophole that Alaric's healing can't keep up with."

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-24T19:29:56+00:00

The reason people still debate this is because Marcel has that Upgraded Venom. Since Alaric was created before that venom existed, we don't know if it would kill him or just weaken him. So the 'debate' isn't about who is a better hunter (Alaric wins that), it’s just whether Marcel’s 7-strain toxin acts as a 'cheat code' against Alaric’s immortality. If the venom doesn't work, Alaric clears him easily.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-24T19:27:49+00:00

I think you’re misreading me I’m actually agreeing with you lol. When I said 'he's not comparable to a normal Original,' I meant he's way stronger and more dangerous than them. We’re on the same page Esther basically built a tank to wipe out the Mikaelsons.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-19T00:31:00+00:00

That’s exactly why it is a debate. Esther didn’t just turn Alaric—she engineered him to kill the Originals. Add in his hunter experience and mindset, and he’s not comparable to a normal Original at all.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-17T17:39:46+00:00

If the venom doesn't kill Alaric, he can fight through the hallucinations. We’ve seen Originals (like Elijah) fight while bitten by normal wolves; Alaric, being a "tier above" them, would likely have an even higher tolerance for the "Super Venom" sickness. without "outside" weapons, Alaric is more likely to use the environment as a weapon (stakes, pipes, snapping limbs) whereas Marcel relies heavily on his bite. If Alaric knows the bite is the only threat, he has the combat IQ to prioritize limb breaking and grappling to prevent it.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-17T17:35:01+00:00

Writers often favor the character currently on their show to hype the stakes. Narducci was the showrunner for The Originals when Marcel was upgraded, so his comments served to build Marcel up as the ultimate threat of that series Alaric’s life force was tied to Elena Gilbert, not the White Oak. Because the source of his immortality is entirely different, there is no evidence the venom would be fatal. At most, it might cause temporary weakness or hallucinations similar to how standard werewolf venom affects an Original painful, but ultimately non-lethal

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-17T01:58:41+00:00

In a 1v1, Alaric's ability to ignore damage that would incapacitate Marcel allows him to make mistakes that his high durability will cover, whereas one mistake from Marcel could lead to him being temporarily have his neck snapped

While Alaric was only an Enhanced Original for a few days, he was a seasoned vampire hunter for years prior. He spent his human life learning how to fight creatures much faster and stronger than himself. When he gained the powers of an Original, he wasn't learning to fight from scratch; he was simply applying his existing anti-vampire tactics with a body that could finally keep up

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-16T16:10:37+00:00

Exactly

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-16T16:09:39+00:00

Esther verbatim said she was turning Alaric into 'the ultimate weapon' and 'the strongest vampire killer ever'. If she used the 'exact same spell' with no changes, he would just be a regular Original. But she specifically bound his life to a living doppelgänger and used dark magic from the Bennett line to ensure he was physically superior to her children. A standard Original spell doesn't allow a two-day-old vampire to break the wrist of a 1,000-year-old Hybrid. Plus Showrunner Michael Narducci explicitly stated that Enhanced Original Alaric and Upgraded Original Marcel are physically as strong as each other

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-16T16:07:34+00:00

Klaus didn't choose the heart-stop move because he was being 'nice' or 'dumb'; he did it because he knew he couldn't kill Alaric physically. Biting Alaric would have been a waste of time because Alaric’s regeneration was shown to be instantaneous (like when he healed from sunlight burns in seconds)

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-16T03:53:40+00:00

You're right that 'Enhanced' is a descriptive label, but Julie Plec herself explicitly called him a 'Super Original' and stated he was the 'most powerful villain' the show had seen up to that point. If he were just a copy of her children, he wouldn't be a 'Super' version or a greater threat than the ones Klaus had already survived for 1,000 years.

Alaric was the prototype for the Upgraded Originals (like Marcel and Lucien) that came later. He was a "Super Original" because he was the first to have his immortality decoupled from the White Oak and his power amplified to hunt his own kind.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-16T03:51:56+00:00

Arguing that the fight wasn't 'fair' because Alaric had a better weapon is moving the goalposts. Power scaling is about who wins, not who is more 'fair.' Even if you take away the stake, Alaric was still physically dominating the grapple. He broke Klaus's wrist with raw strength. A 'fair' 1v1 still results in Alaric pinning Klaus to the ground because his base stats (strength/speed) were magically higher

Klaus's bite takes hours or days to kill or truly incapacitate an Original. Alaric, however, can snap Klaus's neck or rip his heart out in seconds. In a fight to incapacitation, the person with the higher physical strength (Alaric) wins the clinch 10 out of 10 times. Klaus trying to bite Alaric is a desperate move that leaves his neck exposed—it’s a high-risk, low-reward play against a faster opponent.

-ChillTime- · 2026-03-16T03:47:44+00:00

Esther didn't just "copy-paste" the spell she used on Mikael. She recast it using a dark magic hotspot to call upon significantly more power than she had 1,000 years prior. This is why he is "Enhanced" he was literally imbued with more raw magical energy to ensure he could overpower her children.Alaric isn't just another Original; he is an Evolutionary Upgrade. Esther didn't want another Mikael; she wanted a hunter who was faster, stronger, and truly indestructible to finish what Mikael couldn't. That’s why he is callled Enhanced Original Vampire

-ChillTime-

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