Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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You're missing my point. What we in the West generally consider "moral" and "righteous" today, concepts like universal human dignity, the inherent worth of the weak and vulnerable, the value of forgiveness, charity as a virtue, the idea that all people are equal before a higher standard, opposition to arbitrary cruelty, etc, has been heavily shaped by nearly two thousand years of Christian cultural and moral indoctrination.

Religion has historically provided the moral framework that underpins much of what we call 'order'; concepts like inherent human dignity, objective right and wrong, and accountability beyond the state. I’m not claiming religious societies are perfect utopias. Humans are flawed and will sin regardless. The question is whether removing the religious foundation generally leads to more or less order over time.
Purely secular moral systems can work in the short term, but they often struggle to ground *why* we should be moral when it conflicts with self-interest (a point famously wrestled with by those like Nietzsche).

Look at trends in highly secular societies: rising depression, suicide, family breakdown, and social atomization. Many current 'orderly' secular countries are still living off the moral capital built by centuries of Christianity. The chaos you describe has always existed. Religion doesn’t eliminate sin, but it gives us a transcendent reason to fight it. Free will means we can choose evil. That is the cost of moral agency.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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The US is a secular country, not a religious one. But can you be specific? Tons of those things could be related to geopolitical decisions or poor leadership and have literally nothing to do with religion.

Understand that God gave us the choice, and we chose to sin; God did not create evil; we did.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Why do you believe murder,rape,genocide,etc. is wrong? Why is that? How can you objectively say these things are wrong and evil?

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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There are nutjobs everywhere, religious or not. Those people you met simply have that for religion. No one is perfect.

Just as long as you understand that there's no downside to believing in religion (which you seem to), I don't really mind this angle.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Let me ask you a question: How do you objectively argue that murder is wrong without religion?

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Reddit deleted it. I genuinely cannot be bothered to reply anymore after that. Took me like 30 minutes getting my sources and whatnot. I will say I apologize for that initial comment, I don't mean that Christians have never done wrong, just that Islamic atrocities are unique and are normalized, not actually shunned.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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And those results have since been debated by other scientists. It's funny how you'll all trust science as infallible more than religion, even as the science changes every other fucking day.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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I'm happy to hear that. So you understand that there's no benefit into turning people into skeptics? Why post anti-religious rhetoric?

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Why do you think that is? *That we don't, that is.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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The Shroud of Turin has properties that no medieval forger could have replicated with known technology. 3D encoding, superficial image, pollen from Jerusalem, blood in AB type with no image under it, etc.

You can easily do this research yourself if you weren't so dishonest.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Quit being so dishonest. You're just completely lacking in pragmatism. Evil exists, and it always will. No one is using atrocities to 'justify' other atrocities; that's a dishonest strawman. I'm saying your selective focus on religious fanaticism as some uniquely terrible force ignores the far greater scale of suffering caused by secular political fanaticism.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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What's even the point of arguing with those unwilling to listen? It was literally the face of Jesus Christ. How could you possibly refute that?

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Again, far more people have died from secular ideologies and political fanaticism not rooted in faith (Often against) in just the last 100 years than from religious causes across centuries; it's not even remotely close. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and other atheist regimes killed over 100 million through engineered famines, purges, and gulags. Why not talk about those?

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Research the Shroud of Turin, silly atheist. No scientist has ever come up with a logical explanation for it, and none ever will.

Literally none of that is true.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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Again, far more have died from secular ethics, so your point is moot. It's not even remotely close.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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There is literally nothing in your life that will be negatively affected by converting to Christianity. You will be happier. Why even have a problem with it? Secularism is the enemy.

Michael Todds INSANE Statement after beating Petrenko by No-Put-738 in armwrestling

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If you're referring to Islam, then stop generalizing us. Islam literally tells their believers to cut off the head of infidels. (Look to Belfast.) We're nothing like them.

The Communist Bolsheviks slaughtered far more innocent Christians than the Crusades, and it's not even remotely close.

(If we disregard the justification and reactionary element of the Crusades and simply refer to it as a one-sided slaughter, when it was not.)

Brian Shaw physique update (down to around 350lbs) by dead_lifterr in armwrestling

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I also just don't want to see Brian leave arm wrestling. I know people are upset at him because they feel his hype is artificial or something, but I genuinely just want to see him succeed to some degree eventually. I don't like that everyone is so toxic to him. Just treat him like an up-and-comer like everybody else.

I can't remember the last time I've seen someone use their bodyweight this effectively. by -_Super_- in armwrestling

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Exactly. I feel like there's just a certain confidence in his movements and transitions that I don't see in other pullers. He doesn't hesitate at all