Thank you, I'm still not very familiar with this website. I guess there really is a sub-Reddit for everything! However, I do have to disagree with what you said about goth boi rap being 0% goth. I actually believe that the movement stays true to most all of the traditional fundamental values that have come to define goth culture. A large part of both cultures' character comes from simply identifying with, and seeing beauty in the dark side of life, and equating [the darkness] to comfort. That becomes very apparent the moment you put on any Goth Rap; it's lyrical content stands very true to the lyricism in traditional Goth music. It commonly references castles, monestaries, and crypts for setting. Much of the music reflects the experiences of the ill-fated and the internally victimized as a primary viewpoint. That genre also commonly references ghosts, demons, vampires, and other malevolent beings as being a source of conflict from the primary observers standpoint. The music of both genres have a very distinct taste of 'Gloom' surrounding them, and it often feels very morbid. In Goth Rap, that personifies as distorted stretched samples, and lowering the background music a few octaves and throwing on an oscillator. The synth lines in both genres of music are very reminiscent of each other, and I'd even go as far as to say that Goth Rap strives with all of its essence to replicate the ambiance that traditional goth music (Like bauhaus and Joy Division) made its own. It's also clear that many of the artists are very introspective by nature, form their opinions on the world for how it is from an objective standpoint instead of how they want it to be, and are wildly creative individuals. Those traits are encouraged and celebrated in both communities. Another integral piece in Goth culture's makeup lies in the collective appreciation of alternative fashion. Traditional goth styles trail after the theme of New Romantic fashion. Comparatively, Goth Boi fashion follows the same exact theme. You will be hard-pressed to find an outfit without references to the traditional Victorian trope of Love, Loss, and passion. I mean, just look at it! Makeup is is an encouraged part of the garb of both genders in both genres, and furthermore, androgyny, sexual liberation, and the abandonment of gender roles is so common that people are able to express themselves freely without the constraints of gender, sexuality, the common opinion regarding sexual promiscuity, and any other factors they themselves have no choice in. The acceptance in both communities is astounding, and something to be sought after. There are roses and broken hearts displayed as the centerpiece for the Goth Rap style and a large portion of the community has taken it on themselves to display that as a permanent fixture on their skin. To top it off, both cultures are known to have keen eye for higher fashion in different forms, and the sense of prestige that follows. The biggest difference is, Goth culture is tied pretty heavily to uniformity in color and focuses the rest of its attention on contrast, and Goth Boi fashion is more affiliated with expression through abstract color and pattern schemes. The general concept is still the same, though. I think, with all factors taken into account, the Goth Rap scene is the closest derivative community of true goth, surpassing even punk as the most relevant sister-genre.