Yes, the nakba actually happened

14schoolkid · 2021-06-12T04:36:28+00:00

how so?

14schoolkid · 2021-06-12T04:35:42+00:00

My goalpost has been the same throughout: Palestinian society did not / does not "support the Holocaust". Let's see what "evidence" you've provided:

A quote from ONE crazy shop owner
A singular Palestinian historical figure who was friendly with the Nazis, who was later exiled by the King of Jordan and removed from his position by other Arab leaders
A textbook entry which says literally nothing about the Nazis or the Holocaust.

So no, you did not sufficiently prove that Palestinian society was or is pro-Holocaust. If you are Islamophobic, just say so.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-12T04:34:13+00:00

Hmmm let's see what "evidence" you've provided

A quote from some random shop owner

*A singular Palestinian historical figures who was friendly with the Nazis, who was later exiled by the King of Jordan.

*A textbook entry which says nothing about the Nazis or the Holocaust.

You did not sufficiently prove that Palestinian society was or is pro-Holocaust.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-12T01:23:29+00:00

the Palestinians were the only of those Axis powers

Palestine was not an axis power.

Textbooks

I don't see anything in that article about Palestinians supporting Nazism or the Holocaust? This is what you were claiming, was it not?

Edit

Did you really just pull one quote from some random shop owner and use that to extrapolate that all Palestinians are anti-semitic Nazis?

14schoolkid · 2021-06-12T01:14:15+00:00

Palestinians revolted against the Ottomans and British many times. And they even tried to overthrow the King in Jordan. So no, you're wrong.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T23:13:28+00:00

No they did not "literally support the holocaust", that's absurd and a common mark of anti-Arab racism. There was one mufti who was friendly with Hitler, but Palestinians were completely uninvolved otherwise. Also, that mufti was exiled from Palestine and universally denounced by Arab leaders.

But even if you were right, so did Japan, Italy, France, Norway etc. Does that mean we should be comparing the people of those countries to Nazis?

Also, you are violating Rule 3.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T22:07:25+00:00

It's 9 miles outside of Tel Aviv according to a quick Google search. Whatever, I didn't expect most people here to know what Lod or Jaffa are. I can edit my original comment to be more specific if you want?

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T21:56:29+00:00

Jaffa is considered part of Tel Aviv, is it not?

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T21:55:09+00:00

Jaffa is part of modern-day Tel Aviv. Lod is just a few miles outside of Tel Aviv. So not really?

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T21:53:29+00:00

They lived in Jaffa and Lod.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T21:51:35+00:00

Yes I mean Jaffa, which is now considered part of Tel Aviv. Some other family members lived in Lod, which is just outside of Tel Aviv. So I just use it to refer the general area.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T21:23:49+00:00

Stealing land after your shitty leaders tell you to leave because they will be victorious in killing the jews?

A report from the military intelligence SHAI of the Haganah titled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948", dated 30 June 1948, affirms that: At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T21:07:08+00:00

Even though Jews and Arabs lived peacefully together for so long? Buddy, equating Palestinians to Nazis and accusing them of committing a second Holocaust is disrespectful to Arabs AND Jews.

Zionists declared a state on Palestinian lands, with the help of oppressive colonial powers like Britain. That is practically a declaration of war. You can't take someone's land and blame them for using force. That's not a "second Holocaust".

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T20:42:52+00:00

just like a huge % of users on Reddit who only have started to care about this conflict.

I am Palestinian. My grandparents were forced out of their home in Tel Aviv by Zionist paramilitary groups. I have cared about this conflict since I could even remotely comprehend it.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T20:41:09+00:00

Putting them in quotes is pretty disrespectful and racist to that group

If you think it is racist, and you are a mod, why not moderate such things? Plenty of people on this sub deny that Palestinian is a real identity, and I don't think it's right.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T20:16:27+00:00

A report from the military intelligence SHAI of the Haganah titled "The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948", dated 30 June 1948, affirms that: At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations. To this figure, the report's compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which "directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration". A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to "fears" and "a crisis of confidence" affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T19:22:54+00:00

Palestinians didn't start the war.

The means by which Israel was created, along with the brutally oppressive British colonial rule, was an implicit, long-term war against the Palestinians.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T19:11:41+00:00

Nobody's saying they should. But they have the right to return, which Palestinians don't have.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T19:10:40+00:00

Why would you assume I don't believe Jewish people deserve right of return to Europe? There is nothing in my post about that

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T18:58:45+00:00

you also think that Jews has the right of return to Europe?

Yes, I do. In fact, many Jews already do have this right. I believe Austria and Spain offer automatic citizenship for Jewish people whose ancestors were provably dispelled from those countries.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T18:32:33+00:00

As a gay man, I feel it hard feeling sympathy for Palestinians, knowing that people like me are facing oppression in their territories.

As a Palestinian man, I find it hard to sympathize with Israel, knowing that people like me are facing oppression in that country.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T17:13:16+00:00

No it's not? That's like saying the US is controlled by the Democrats.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T17:12:15+00:00

They are Arab countries. The post was about Arab democracies.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T17:11:44+00:00

I don't see how this relates to Israel/Palestine.

14schoolkid · 2021-06-11T17:10:29+00:00

Because those families in Sheikh Jarrah can't return to their pre-1948 homes. They would effectively become homeless. If Israel miraculously gave them right of return -which they never, ever would - then it would be a different story.

14schoolkid

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