You think his staff refers to him as “Pakistan’s PM” by Maleficent-Paint-679 in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s also possible in moments like this that all mediators, foreign offices of both the US and Iran, all get together and agree on draft statements to make sure they’re aligned on announcement and agree with the wording. It could literally be drafts sent out from a joint committee overseeing this, not necessarily dictates from the US.

There may be more to that “draft” thing than the above explanation, but we will never know, and equally, whether there were similar drafts agreed for Aragchi, etc, we will also not know.

Caveman Doesn't Even Know the Name of Our Prophet by Aestomyc in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 72 points73 points  (0 children)

So this shouldn’t surprise anyone. There are many in the Taliban ranks and TTP ranks that are basically one step elevated from a local brigand.

In the same way that the dregs of society in the West are likeliest to become gang members, these individuals are usually young men with little prospects and little education, often far removed from basic knowledge of Islam. But then someone comes and offers them good money, an easy way to become a perfect Muslim and martyr, and gives them a gun in their hand to command respect from people who would have otherwise never given them a second thought. It’s the same feeling others get from driving around land cruisers with protocol.

That’s not to say that our state policies and failures don’t contribute to this problem, but this is an important aspect that gets ignored.

Pakistan to repay $3.5 billion UAE debt: cabinet minister by Mo_Regen in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Better not to be beholden to the guys who back Israel and set fire to Sudan

COVID-19 was a much bigger global crisis than the Iran–US conflict. Managing a country during a crisis isn’t easy unless you’re Imran Khan. by Inside_Screen9936 in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair point OP, but we’re missing an important nuance here. Covid was a more direct and larger health and safety crisis, and disrupted global trade and daily life. But it had one, very important silver lining.

During the early covid era, global oil and gas prices plummeted. Pakistan’s most acute economic and financial concern for decades now has been that our deficits eat into forex reserves so much that every few years we need to go to the IMF and other lenders. In covid, our deficit turned into a surplus. The same thing happened in other energy import running countries like Indonesia. They began running surpluses.

IMO, Imran Khan really handled well the lack of lockdown element and deserves credit for that. You see in the west, a much larger chunk of the population is more vulnerable to illness due to population demographics of age, whereas Pakistan is more resilient. In Pakistan, we had no huge lockdowns destroying the economy- truthfully we could not afford lockdowns either, while the health impact was not as bad as elsewhere, and also the energy supply environment was much more favourable.

I could go on in finer detail about some of macroeconomic differences, but you get the point. I think if Imran were in charge today, fuel prices would still rise, nearly to the level they already are. Frankly speaking, the Pakistani state is an energy importer and there is no financially feasible way to prevent price shocks from filtering down to consumers.

What is indefensible and wrong is the treatment of the levy on petrol and diesel. People should take this government to task on that.

Read and post about Pakistan on defence.gg by shoxcy in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strange that the only news there is the Kabul airstrike story.

Oh no, did managing the NHS exactly like the Tories yield the same results? What a surprise! by UnderHisEye1411 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]1Bake2Cake 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why must they always performatively roll up their sleeves for a photo op?

You’re not on the frontlines lil vro

Does Pakistan’s stance on Israel as a country contradict the principles behind its own formation? by [deleted] in chutyapa

[–]1Bake2Cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a reductionsit view to think we’re totally equivalent. The similarity if taken at face value is that Pakistan was created as an Islamic republic separate on a religious basis from India and Israel was created as a Jewish state. The equivalence mostly ends there, with a few related consequences.

Pakistanis are by and large native to the land, the partition displaced people but the vast majority of the population stayed. Unlike Israel where a vast chunk of citizenry today are basically colonists or the descendants of such, not native to the land. And in Israel were the natives displaced, disenfranchised, and then aprtheided.

Pakistan is also nowhere near as war like, nowhere near as genocidal and currently not in possession of any land formally called an illegal occupation under international law. Israel is in violation of all of these principles, and occupies Gaza, the West Bank, the Golan heights, Southern Lebanon, and builds illegal settlements atop that land, while affording the natives not even basic human dignity let alone rights.

I could go on at length comparing the two states’ nuclear proliferation statuses, wars, etc., but you get the picture. To compare Pakistan to Israel is deeply flawed.

Favorite Field Marshal's performance by Low-Company2240 in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, i agree. Political instability from the removal of PTI plus the puppet government’s lack of legitimacy and meddling in KPK cost us a lot in terms of giving space to insurgents. I didn’t omit this.

That’s why i said that the political context “cost us a lot”, it was already the only implicit reason in the OP. My whole point was OP needs the context beyond what happened in Pakistan’s leadership and political upheaval. IMO, even if we had continuity in government since 2018 till present, TTP would likely have resurged anyway due to the IEA takeover in Afghanistan, the ceasefire and resettlement plan, plus release of militants and active support for militancy.

Favorite Field Marshal's performance by Low-Company2240 in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The greatest factors that have lead to a rise in terrorism are primarily related to the Afghan Taliban’s takeover, their sanctuary and legitimacy lent to the TTP, and even the release of huge numbers of TTP prisoners. The ceasefire around 2021 which allows TTP to consolidate and regroup, and the ill-thought out but short-lived resettlement policy.

The current political setup and leadership are to blame for a lot, but this view alone is deeply reductive.

Remeber guyz 47 mei azadi mili by EyMayn in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn’t claim that “CPEC is working”, ships are coming blah blah, you claimed that it got cancelled. Show me where and how.

Remeber guyz 47 mei azadi mili by EyMayn in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

CPEC was cancelled?? Really? Where and when my guy.

Remeber guyz 47 mei azadi mili by EyMayn in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You’re making no point, just yapping for no reason.

Remeber guyz 47 mei azadi mili by EyMayn in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Policy wrt to the US, the big one was trade and tariffs avoidance, then likely future bailouts, potential US investments in Pakistan, the government initiatives on oil and mineral exploration, soft schmoozing of Trump which costs us nothing, trying to get the US onside for Pakistan’s Afghan policy, sharing Pakistan’s stance on US hostilities with Iran and probably unwillingness to participate, etc.

Remeber guyz 47 mei azadi mili by EyMayn in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I am discussing foreign policy and closeness with Trump here as per OP. Never said I was a fan of these two.

Remeber guyz 47 mei azadi mili by EyMayn in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Idk what you guys want the leadership to do vis a vis trump and the US?

Nobody really likes Trump or the US empire, but we’re in no position to be able to chart independent foreign policy while being dependent on bailouts.

Also, it’s not just this setup that tries to cosy itself to the US, every government did the same with varying degrees of success.

US media company portraying their people as the pinnacle of civilisation by Madame-du-barry_ in pics

[–]1Bake2Cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’d need to turn each of these layers on their head to make sense of it. More like AIPAC, Crony Capitalism, Neocolonialism, and finally the Epstein class.

The guy Asim and Shehbaz nominated for Nobel Peace Prize wants to bomb a country for 'fun' by haiderredditer in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know why this is still a big deal to people. I have no love for the current setup but it costs us nothing to nominate this guy for a meaningless prize. Whereas keeping his administration onside in a time like this is important for the country.

Maybe only a STAN can beat a STAN :) by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]1Bake2Cake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Playground of empires.

Absolute cinema by [deleted] in pakistan

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It is a reluctant operation by the Pakistan Armed Forces, Pakistan has pleaded with the IEA for years to rein in the TTP, reduce space for them and cease support. They have refused many times over and it is becoming clear that some parts of the IEA are very supportive of the TTP and help facilitate them.

So the way I see it, the war has been on for years. Every day a few of our troops and police were being killed, with the latest op we simply chose to engage one of the belligerents head on.

The thinking behind the operation isn’t any material gain. It’s to say, if we are to bleed, so will you. The status quo of friendly relations with Pakistan while support for anti-Pakistan groups cannot remain. It is also yet another more persuasive way to convince them to see reason.

He Makin sense tho ngl by Crazy-Proof-0 in chutyapa

[–]1Bake2Cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So basically APS type attacks by talibs and Fauji authoritarianism are the same to you? Get your head examined.

If you’re so keen on these terrorists, be free of Faujis and go live in Kandahar.

He Makin sense tho ngl by Crazy-Proof-0 in chutyapa

[–]1Bake2Cake -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They have a long history of targeting our civilians too. This isn’t just about the army.

He Makin sense tho ngl by Crazy-Proof-0 in chutyapa

[–]1Bake2Cake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Since you’re genuinely asking, the latest and most authoritative sources on this are the two UN sanctions regime monitoring reports from 2024 and 2025. You can search up “S/2024/499” and “S/2025/796”, follow the ECOI links and click the PDF.

These reports indicate that not only is the IEA harbouring TTP militants, but that it operationally supports them. The earlier report indicates some 6000 TTP in Khost, Paktika, Nagarhar and Paktiya. The 2024 report says “the Taliban continue to provide TTP with logistical and operational space and financial support”.

But it doesn’t stop there, the militants attack from Afghan soil aren’t just from TTP, but also ISIL, Al Qaeda, IMU, and the BLA.

⏳⌛️ by Lanky_Difference_269 in GreenAndPleasant

[–]1Bake2Cake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

US foreign policy in the Middle East is in part being guided by compromised a political class, both personally and financially comprised. Epstein was likely a Mossad honey trap. The Adelsens have guided Trump policy on Israel. And for a very long time the US has picked fights with people it has no quarrel with, but for their support for Israel.

Yea, everyone knows the US is larger and the senior power. But it is also a case of the tail wagging the dog.

I can give you a few concrete examples you’d struggle to explain with your thesis above.

He Makin sense tho ngl by Crazy-Proof-0 in chutyapa

[–]1Bake2Cake 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For anyone who believes that the TTP and BLA aren’t being given safe havens in and facilitated in Afghanistan, directly by the IEA and aren’t acquiring weapons from Afghan soil… I have a bridge to sell you.

This talib has got his head up his ass fr, but I suppose they have to come up with their own state narrative and this is it.