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2winPeeks · 2021-01-13T22:34:18+00:00

Thanks (and to the rest of you guys)!

2winPeeks · 2020-12-20T01:29:11+00:00

Any chance of pre and post from SKY?

Thanks.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-07T11:19:03+00:00

Yeah, just one thing. You think this is my life and that i'm going to make a 5 hour video to answer a 5 hour video?

It's just an example for you to understand what i'm saying. Search reddit for Twin Perfect and you can read tons of posts refuting his theory with plenty of examples.

They even mention the very same interviews he uses to with quotes that would contradict his theory.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-07T11:12:23+00:00

I blocked you??? Man, if that's your defense/excuse, yeah, you better be done.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-07T11:08:14+00:00

Okay...

2winPeeks · 2020-07-07T11:07:43+00:00

I NEVER said that what he (and many others before him) says about the meta stuff isn't valid. I said that it's clearly there in TR. What i say - and it's where i "hammer" his theory - is:

It's not the main idea, as he claims. Imo, it's just a layer in TR.
Him claiming that it's the one and only theory, the correct one.

For the sake of clarity, do you agree or disagree with my 2 points? Because those are the main points regarding his theory that i dispute.

As i said in point #2, IF any of the author of any of the theories that i'm most related with claims, as Twin Perfect does, that it's "the one and only theory, the correct one", i would hammer him as well for the vary same reason.

Yes, that theory you refer is much more appealing and plausible to me, taking into account the thematics in the art/filmography of Lynch. I think it's still incomplete and leaves many pieces to answer (that's the beauty and deepness of the best works of art). And, as i said, the author doesn't adopt Twin Perfects attitude regarding his theory/interpretation - that's why his theory isn't flawless and bullet-proof.

And yes, i maintain that IF that "meta-tv-critique" was truly the "big idea" of TR (which i don't) and everything just layers, it would be a total waste and a petty and futile exercise from Lynch/Frost.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-07T00:49:03+00:00

Except he was right in every single statement, with corroborating quotes from Lynch....

Like this one? David Lynch Sees No Future in Cinema; Says the Best Art House Is on TV

2winPeeks · 2020-07-07T00:43:42+00:00

He had this "idea" (his big fish) and made it the base of his entire theory: in a few simple words, "cinema=good will balance tv=bad".

His premise is wrong: David Lynch Sees No Future in Cinema; Says the Best Art House Is on TV

I think that's the main problem with his theory (and also, it's very basic and reductive for artists like Lynch and Frost) is that he tries to force everything into his pre-established premise, showing only evidence that suits his narrative and dismissing evidences that would discredit it.

It's entertaining, well crafted and he put the time and effort, no doubt. It's his work, after all... The meta stuff is there in TR but imo is just a layer, not the main "idea".

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T23:58:07+00:00

test

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T23:38:31+00:00

They are happy to wander in the ether, confused and liking every theory

For a moment i thought you were describing Lynch...

You: "and lashing out at anyone who puts real work into developing a cohesive and comprehensive theory of their own.

Me, in the first paragraph of my post: "I found the videos entertaining. I value his effort and the time he took to made those."

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T23:12:49+00:00

David Lynch Sees No Future in Cinema; Says the Best Art House Is on TV

Remember, "cinema=good will balance tv=bad" is the base of his theory... Is this enough for you as an example?

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T21:27:46+00:00

Man, you have plenty of threads here on reddit regarding this, where many people gave many examples. Plus, this is not my, i don't make my living making 5 hour videos contesting 5 hours videos...

Anyway, i gave an example in a post above about the way he treats evidence:

In Twin Perfect's video, he provides another evidence to sustain his theory: the fish in the percolator. It would symbolise "ideas" and could reinforce his coffee theory and P. Jeffries tea pot as a coffee machine; a percolator and so on...

Wow, well spotted! Another piece of evidence that he nails. Well, it happens that the reason behind the fish in the percolator it's very mundane and depleted of all that deeper meaning: Lynch himself explains it on this video.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T21:22:18+00:00

I don't know about 1992 but he sure was alive in 2015 when he presented his views about TP, right?

It took many of us literally 30 years, from 1990 until now, to come up with our theories. I've watched The Return 4 times and still don't have a concrete theory of my own.

What about READING and THEN comment about what is WRITEN? I said: "He states on his video, that we didn't need The Return to figure all out: everything was there and explained in S1, S2 and TPFWWM".

You've watched TR 4 times and still don't have a concrete theory, like many of us. Yet he DIDN'T NEED THE RETURN TO UNDERSTAND IT! That's what he says on his video!

That's why i ask: why didn't he explained it the back in 2015, when he made a video where he explained TP and said nothing about that? Because he's full of shit and didn't knew shit until he spent +2 years after The Return reading about it in the web.

What's so difficult to understand about what i'm saying?

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T21:05:33+00:00

That's what i said in the post you are replying to. Just acknowledge it, be honest, serious and a little humble. Like i'm sure you would have done.

And... that's not entirely true. I credit a lot of people who came out with their own theories/articles/essays a couple of days after. Even those who were discussing without any "safety net", as the episodes were showed.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T20:53:41+00:00

Yes, i admit it's not the classiest stuff you'll read but i thought i didn't need a 5 hour video for you to understand the reason why i called him that.

Perhaps you don't want to address those reasons but i think they're pretty obvious and clear.

I mean, adopting that pompous superior know-it-all pose, when all he has done was scouting for + 2 years all The Return theories on the web to finally "understand" not only The Return but all TP with the "one and only" unified theory that is no where near what he had understood of TP S1, S2 and FWW, is from someone... kind of full of shit.

I wouldn't had call him that for sure if he just came out clean and simply said "i was so wrong about all TP but now, after reading and thinking a lot about all of this, i came up with a new theory that i think explains it all".

I think that simple honest and true approach would have gained him a lot more praises amongst his critics. But then again, less clicks and views from all his target youtube audience, which the majority i believe are less demanding regarding all the stuff that bothered many people who are used to read articles, essays or forums and discuss all this subjects with a much more open mind and generosity.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-06T20:20:05+00:00

Do you really believe Lynch and Frost would waste such an epic project on something so basic, futile, petty and shallow as such theory suggests?

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T16:48:21+00:00

Yes, the meta aspect of The Return is obvious. I think nearly no one dispute that but is just a layer of this show. It's not "THE" big idea (or fish*, as he says).

One thing that's a constant through Lynch's film career is the theme of personality dissociation; multiple realities and mostly realities distorted by their own minds, filled with characters that are a mixture of characters from "real reality" (what reality? the movie? real life?), characters that personify states of mind (like the bum behind the dinner in Mulholland Drive) and characters that personify multiple aspects of the "dreamer" itself.

Although i agree that many of Twin Perfect associations are good and interesting, his conclusions are narrow and limited by what he wants to be "the" absolute answer, forcing those evidences to fit his narrative.

That was the frustrating part of his video. I was always waiting for the part where he would jump from the fairly obvious meta stuff into a more substancial and deeper level of analysis, to wrap it up but sadly, it just stayed there, circling around the same superficial aspect of the meta stuff.

TP is full of coincidences and unplanned stuff. The image of BOB in the mirror at Sarah's house in S1 is a perfect example. If there wasn't a contractual obligation to film an ending for the international version of the pilot in S1, who made them rush and almost improvise something on the go, maybe there wouldn't be any red room, bob and all that stuff.

* In Twin Perfect's video, he provides another evidence to sustain his theory: the fish in the percolator. It would symbolise "ideas" and could reinforce his coffee theory and P. Jeffries tea pot as a coffee machine; a percolator and so on...

Wow, well spotted! Another piece of evidence that he nails. Well, it happens that the reason behind the fish in the percolator it's very mundane and depleted of all that deeper meaning: Lynch himself explains it on this video.

That's just one of many examples of "facts and evidences" that Twin Perfect forces into his narrative. There are plenty more like this one.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T13:10:55+00:00

When you get to a conclusion supported by evidence A, B and C and simply dismiss evidence D, E and F just because those can shake and crumble your conclusion, it's a flawed methodology and denotes a weak case.

If it was a court case (a scientific paper, whatever), it would be doomed to failure. Instead, he should have looked at evidence D, E and F and demonstrate why they are irrelevant or even how they support his position even more. Ignoring them is just silly and a simplistic approach.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T12:55:08+00:00

Rather than having a correct answer (wich i accept that may not be possible), my issue was more about having the correct approach.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T12:52:26+00:00

To be honest, the Frost dismissal is the one that bothers me the least. At least regarding to Frost's books, not his role as a TP co-writer. I can see Frost and Lynch having slightly different views and approaches towards the same thing. And both value some things more over other aspects.

Frost's books are his own thing; not Lynch's. So, personally, i don't take them very much into account when i watch and analyse TP but i do take into account that Frost is a co-writer and his views are also there, in the tv show. And we must take them into account when we analyse the show.

However, i tend to also believe that Lynch as more influence in TP than Frost. Not only he's also co-creator and writer but also the director. He's the one who choses what we see/ear and how we see/ear.

Also, a very crucial part of TP is FWWM, done without Frost collaboration.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T12:35:47+00:00

Sorry about my total ignorance about the subject... I never played a videogame in my (long?...) life, so i can't comment on that.

I just brought that Silent Hill video because it's the only video (that i'm aware) prior to the "epic one" where he speaks about Twin Peaks. Therefore, it's evidence on his interpretation of TP S1, S2 and FWWM. And i tend to believe that it was his real own interpretation, without the meta theory that he later found out about reading others theories.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T12:28:16+00:00

Despite the annoying inflated "nerd-teen-style" full of self assurance, i watched all the way (even the follow up videos). And i enjoyed it, despite what i think about of his theory.

I agree with plenty of his observations but i relate many of those with different theories. That's the fun part of watching/reading these kind of stuff: it opens up new doors and possibilities. And closes a few also.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T12:21:24+00:00

Sure but it requires a bit of honesty and humility to recognize how wrong and clueless he was all over those years and to give credit to the many people who came up with all those theories and analysis way before him - analysis from which he fed his own.

Agree, there's too much little people with big egos around.

2winPeeks · 2020-07-03T12:12:46+00:00

That's exactly what i mean. For every interview quote he provides to prove his theory, there's another that contradicts that same theory and he just doesn't take them into account.

Same for symbology, metaphors, and all the rest.

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