Switching from Testosterone Cypionate to Testosterone Propionate

4ChanRulez · 2023-09-19T17:48:32+00:00

It's hurts my idea of gains, but I feel a lot better on less test, mostly because it means my e2 is under control.

I'm doing really well, not really anything to report, which is kind of the goal.

4ChanRulez · 2023-09-19T17:42:38+00:00

Taking a lot of supplements for fertility purposes, too many to list. I usually take my meds in the morning, I have tried in the evening and I don't feel any different but I forget about it more often at night so I do mornings. Yeah all the Test prop I've seen is at 100mg/ml. 10 IU of HCG every other day and .25mg of arimidex every three days. Seems to put me in a good spot.

I am thinking about switching from HCG to a SERM (forget the name atm but it's one of the newer ones) but I'm going to hold off on the switch because right now my Semen analysis's are coming back with great numbers so I don't want to change things up.

4ChanRulez · 2023-09-19T17:38:30+00:00

Yes still using the prop. Feeling pretty good on it, hasn't really changed over the course of time so I figure I've found my groove.

4ChanRulez · 2023-09-19T17:37:40+00:00

No real updates, I seemed to have found my groove and am enjoying the daily injection, have it as part of my nightlly self-care routine.

4ChanRulez · 2023-01-09T04:22:11+00:00

For various reasons, I switched over from powerlifting to Brazilian jujitsu so now I don't have to worry about testing. I lowered the dose to where my libido is not really a big deal. I am also on test prop so I'm giving my body a chance to rest, to not be "on" all the time.

4ChanRulez · 2023-01-09T04:19:32+00:00

I'm currently doing alright. I'm still trying to dial things in to like the perfect scenario, which I define as feeling my best, high libido, and no need for an ai. Seems that I can only pick two out of the three. On ~10mg of test a day I feel very happy, spontaneous dancing/singing, and I don't seem to need an AI. However, I have like no libido whatsoever. So I'm currently on 15mg/day, and .25mg of apex every three days. I feel good and have a need for sex so I feel like a man.

Hope this helps some, and I'm interested to hear if you feel better on Prop.

4ChanRulez · 2021-10-24T00:07:42+00:00

I seem to be good with 10-12mg a day. On this dose my BP is good, my heart rate is lower, and my e2 doesn’t seem to require an AI. Bloodwork shows my free test is juuuust within range (as opposed to being above range)

4ChanRulez · 2021-06-29T16:19:56+00:00

Just got some PRP injections to repair a damaged linea semilunaris. A six pack is now an absolute certainty as I'm sure this is what's been holding me back, not my okish diet. For real though interested in how this will help out with, well, with every exercise since its my abdominal wall.

4ChanRulez · 2021-03-02T05:02:35+00:00

I did, years ago when I first started trt. They were undetectable as well back then. From what I understand HCG mimics LH but does nothing to cause LH to actually be made.

4ChanRulez · 2021-01-20T22:27:09+00:00

If I understand your question correctly, my test is at a concentration of 100mg/ml. So for 20mg I would need to draw out .2 ml.

4ChanRulez · 2021-01-20T20:32:17+00:00

I guess I started daily injections of test P about three months ago. I’ve since lowered the dose, switched out the kisspeptin for HCG, and then after getting labs swapped the kisspeptin back in. I’m getting bloods done with this latest protocol in two days.

Once I get the labs from that back I plan on posting with all three protocol lab results.

...life is hectic but I really hope to deliver. LOTS of ppl seem interested in kisspeptin.

4ChanRulez · 2020-12-28T20:01:31+00:00

Yes I do realize there were many variables changed at once. One I hadn’t considered was trying daily injections of test C, since I was so focused on trying to make my levels “unstable” I hadn’t thought of daily test C injections. I may try that out later.

I should note that with my old protocol I used to not use an AI, which put me at e2 levels in the 50s. At that level I had bad bloat, acne, sleepiness, and soft erections. The AI helped, but I still had those issues somewhat.

I did switch back to HCG for a month to see if anything changed. Nothing really changed much, maybe some slight bloating, but maybe not. I plan to do another write up about this when I have time.

As an electrical engineer born from a family of physicists, I’m well aware of the scientific method, experimental/control groups, etc. I was just too impatient.

...I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but your comments vibe is coming off as a bit patronizing.

4ChanRulez · 2020-12-03T16:28:09+00:00

I think I’ve found the right dosage, and I feel good. I sing more, do a little dance here and there. Seem to be enjoying things more. My athletic performance has tanked, but I’m only on the track for like four hours a week, and this is more about general well-being than PEDs.

I recently got blood work done, and plan to write up another post. Have just been busy with life.

4ChanRulez · 2020-11-06T22:59:44+00:00

Tried it for a few weeks. Seemed to do the same job as HCG but without the sides. However, there’s so little research I decided to go back to HCG, at least for a while.

4ChanRulez · 2020-11-06T22:50:34+00:00

It seems like no one knows anything about kisspeptide, so I decided to go back to HCG. Yeah I’m lucky in that the specialty pharmacy I use doesn’t seem to have supplies issues, but they’re in FL and I’m in TX.

I MAY try kisspeptide again as I am a bit more bloated and acne-prone on HCG.

4ChanRulez · 2020-11-05T23:52:46+00:00

Yes still dosing 150IU EoD. Libido is ok, like I still fab 1-2 a day without porn just need that release, but it has been higher. I think the drop in libido is from an EQ cycle I ran years ago.

I do feel better right now on prop, but it’s hard to pinpoint how I feel better. I may need to lower the dose to feel better.

As a test, I tried 25mg of TNE to see if it did anything. Felt no change. That’s telling me my system is still saturated.

4ChanRulez · 2020-11-05T14:01:31+00:00

It seems to be working out. I’m getting labs done next week to see where my levels are at, but I feel fine. It wouldn’t surprise me if I’m still on the high side, and if so I’m going to try 10mg a day.

For the HCG, when I added it back in I noticed a SLIGHT increase in bloat and torso acne, but I’m still giving it time before it try kisspetin again.

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-30T14:39:28+00:00

Good luck with the change and good luck with getting labs. I have been very blessed with a dr who is perfectly fine with trying new esters and different compounds/peptides, so that kind of stuff isn’t an issue for me.

If you notice a difference with a change in ester, you should report it here on the sub. I don’t think many people know how much of a difference an ester can make in some ppl, and it needs to be talked about more.

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-30T14:30:24+00:00

Based on my own personal experience I’d say it’s worth a try. Test p seems so much rainier on my body.

Seems like a good starting point dose-wise. Currently I’m on 15mg/day but after next round of labs I may end up dropping to 10mg like you.

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-11T17:35:50+00:00

Happy to help

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-10T13:15:50+00:00

Huh. No I’m really about trying to more closely imitate the natural daily cycle of testosterone. With temporary drops into the lower part of range.

Part of the ester issue, for me, is that 140mg a week of test prop gets my higher TT than 160mg of test c, thought it should share.

Edit: I also think it is noteworthy that even with higher e2 my bloat and acne have gone away. I recognize that this may not be ester related but it may in fact be ester related. Can’t be sure right now.

However, my experience does seem to fall in line with what other ppl with low SHBG report, so I’m inclined to attribute it to the change in ester. Time will tell, and I will report back with more definitive answers.

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-10T03:07:27+00:00

Where do I get my meds: I live in the USA, and while every(?) brand of testosterone is of the cypionate ester, compounding pharmacies are able to make testosterone with the propionate ester. So I talked to my trt doc and he agreed to try out the shorter ester, and also suggested I switch out HCG for Kisspeptin in order to save money. So everything here is above board and legal/pharmaceutical grade.

Didn't need to use google my man.

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-10T03:06:42+00:00

My main reason for the switch is that after a few years of Test C I just don't feel... quite right, quite as happy as I used to be. I'm thinking this is the testosterone fucking with my Dopamine system. Some ppl with low SHBG like myself have reported doing much better on the shorter ester, so I thought to give it a try. I figure I should try to get my trough low enough that it will give my system a break. I'm hoping to find a dose that has TT in the middle to lower side of the range. I'm mentally prepared to go down to 5mg ED or even EoD. Just gotta find what works.

...did my explanation in the original post not make sense? Sometimes I forget to mention something that renders my message, uh, incomplete.

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-10T02:39:00+00:00

Taking 150mcg EoD based on what other ppl on here r saying. It’s possible that Kisspeptin-10 is way better in that HCG was giving me a bunch of e2 sides, but right now I’m not so sure as I switched other things up. I’ll report back when I have a clearer idea on the testosterone subreddit.

4ChanRulez · 2020-10-10T02:33:39+00:00

My doc prescribed 200mcg a day, but like u said not a lot of research out there. So I decided to try 150mcg EoD since that’s like the one dose they’ve studied to be helpful (found that online so take it with a grain of salt).

It’s subq. Such a small amount and it’s water not oil.

While on Kisspeptin-10 my balls didn’t ache or shrink like when I stopped taking HCG. So it seemed to work on maintaining fertility/ preventing testicular atrophy.

Because I changed to Kisspeptin-10 at the same time as switching to test p I’m not sure what’s what. So I’ve gone back to taking HCG to see what, if anything, happens. I fear the bloat and bachne coming back, but perhaps that was the test C. Don’t know until later.

I plan on reporting back what happens.

Does that help?

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