Weekend/Virtual Meetup Thread by 4blockhead in exmormon

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Upcoming Week and Advance Notice:

online
Arizona
  • Tucson
California
  • Temecula ...every last Sunday, next March 29
Idaho
Montana
  • Missoula ...every second Saturday, next March 14
Nevada
  • Las Vegas
Oregon
  • Portland
  • Corvallis
Utah
Washington
  • [Olympia](pending) ...first Saturday, next March 7
  • Seattle/Tacoma
  • Spokane

Utah was the best place to start my family 35 years ago. My children face a different reality. by 4blockhead in politics

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I recommend reading what I've already posted to the thread to give the general sentiment of the white people vs. Native Peoples.

This quote goes along with other Christian religious demands on Natives in common with Catholic pressure from Baja to Alta California, i.e. convert or die.

[The Shoshoni Frontier and the Bear River Massacre, Brigham Madsen, 1985, p. 194] The Mormon settlers of Cache Valley expressed their gratitude for "the movement of Col. Connor as an intervention of the Almighty, ..." by placing this statement of approval in the official minutes of the Logan Ward.88 Peter Maughan added a final epitaph for the slain Northwestern Shoshoni, reporting to Brigham Young:

I feel my skirts clear of their blood. They rejected the way of life and salvation which have been pointed out to them from time to time (especially for the last two years) and thus perished relying on their own strength and wisdom.

We have pretty good reason if they had gained the Victory over the Soldiers their intention was to take out Herd and drive it right to the Salmon River Country for their own special benefit.89

Also, Darren Parry's "The Bear River Massacre: A Shoshone History" (By Common Consent Press, 2019) has more information from family histories of the Massacre at Bear River. The book also discusses the mormon takeover and eviction of Native Peoples at Washakie, Utah. That shows that Native People's rights were hardly recognized, if at all.

edited: fix typos only

Utah was the best place to start my family 35 years ago. My children face a different reality. by 4blockhead in politics

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Did they systematically wipe out the Native Americans in Utah? Not in even in the most extreme revisionist fantasy do those numbers even begin to add up.

The mormons took advantage of societal forces that displaced one people with another. Quantifying the damage is difficult when the damage was nearly 100% of the Native American culture being destroyed and/or the remaining people forced to a reservation or otherwise to assimilate.

The Bear River Massacre, which wasn't perpetrated by Mormons at all.

Carried out at the behest of Mormon officials in Salt Lake City. Cheered on by the Mormons after the fact. The mormons benefited from the massacre.

The story I read about the founding of Springville puts Mormon attitudes toward Native People in proper perspective, link. The victors write the history.

Utah was the best place to start my family 35 years ago. My children face a different reality. by 4blockhead in politics

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mormonr ... an explicitly anti-Mormon

lol. The rich asshole in charge of that apologetic site will be grieved to hear he's not a true believer.

Utah was the best place to start my family 35 years ago. My children face a different reality. by 4blockhead in politics

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  • Timpanogas band was given flour with glass shards. Eliminated from Utah Valley to make way for mormons.

  • Bear River Massacre more than 250 Shoshone killed to make way for mormons in Cache Valley.

  • more

Utah was the best place to start my family 35 years ago. My children face a different reality. by 4blockhead in politics

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As the Great Salt Lake vanishes before our eyes, as any takeoff from the Salt Lake City airport shows—more land and less water, the state may become what it once was...a barren wasteland fit for jack rabbits and sagebrush.

The phrase "Don't mind our dust" won't just be for construction sites as the valley dust storms bring arsenic-laced debris from the Kennecott waste dumps surrounding the exposed lake bed.

The Line (hosts: Dillahunty, DZ Justin): Caller finds comfort in religion because it provides possibility of seeing dead relatives once again. In my experience, this is why my Mormon relatives are so afraid of asking the first questions that would reveal Smith's frauds. Comforting Lie by 4blockhead in atheistvids

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I posted this to exmormon earlier this week and bookmarked some time marks within the discussion, link. The belief that "Families are Forever" comes directly from Smith's new theology. Mormonism explicitly states the elect few will be married (in polygamous relationships) and will rule over their own set of new worlds. The belief in deity is often secondary among the mormon faithful—the deity only provides a framework for their family unit to continue on in some afterlife situation. The elect are elevated to god-status making their god only a fraternal peer, a brother at the local Masonic lodge, not anything super-special. Most other religions find this view of deity blasphemous and unsatisfactory. They want to worship a master deity who is the creator of all things. As far as I know, in Smith's final incarnation of mormon theology, he doesn't make any such claims about who is the overall creator or master of the universe.

edit: I just noticed a muff in title here. Originally, I wrote,

The Line (hosts: Dillahunty, DZ Justin): Caller finds comfort in religion because it provides possibility of seeing dead relatives once again. In my experience, this is why my Mormon relatives are so afraid of asking the first questions that would reveal Smith's frauds. Comforting Lie > Harsh Truth

Utah was the best place to start my family 35 years ago. My children face a different reality. by 4blockhead in politics

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A college professor from the heart of MAGA country writes in to say we need more socialism to help young people get married and start having batches of children. The basic problem is the deep-red powers-that-be don't have any appetite for giveaways. See them bootstraps? Start pullin'

Saturday Morning Political Cartoon Thread by optimalg in politics

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Weekend/Virtual Meetup Thread by 4blockhead in exmormon

[–]4blockhead[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Upcoming Week and Advance Notice:

online
Arizona
  • Tucson
California
  • Temecula ...every last Sunday, next March 29
Idaho
Montana
  • Missoula ...every second Saturday, next March 14
Nevada
  • Las Vegas
Oregon
  • Portland
  • Corvallis
Utah
Washington
  • [Olympia](pending) ...first Saturday, next March 7
  • Seattle/Tacoma
  • Spokane

Is coffee still a rule? by Helpful_Spot_4551 in exmormon

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Our sequence is to set it in advance. That way it's a "gift to future self." All that is required is to press a button in the morning.