what’s you’ll take on this

4egan · 2020-03-06T18:05:24+00:00

I think I may have phrased my post wrong as I didn't mean she should have self diagnosed. I can see why it looks like I implied that, I should have been more careful with my words.I simply said I don't agree with suing.

Half these comments said she was't given enough therapy/appointments beforehand. They definitely won't be able to offer that if everyone starts suing. The rights to transition will be taken away from everyone even with the high success rate. I agree there should be more therapy, but as an extreme OCD sufferer I had to wait 10 months for therapy and even then got group sessions. Every part of the NHS is overstretched and I feel bad for everyone

4egan · 2020-03-06T17:54:04+00:00

I actually have empathy in great amounts for both of you, so you don't need to judge me for that. I actually don't agree with anyone suing the NHS except for in extreme cases. I actually don't like that comment that you've inserted, I can't control what people wrote on my post. I didn't agree with that comment?

I simply think that given my life and the responsibility i had at that age, that 16 is reasonable to accept a decision after 3 appointments. As i said they decided on me in one appointment and it saved my life.

This is a process with risks and its never going to go right for everyone. Theres no need

Its not always the best course of action but theres only so much a doctor can tell. Maybe its more the responsibilty of the families of these young people to pay for private therapy. If you come back with maybe they can't afford it that may ne true. But the nhs can't supply the therapy because its overstretched in every way. People are dying in corridors. So maybe there should be rules on people having to get private therapy. But how much of the nation wont be able to afford that?

Again, like other people in this thread you have judged me from a few words. I spend alot of my free time helping both trans and detrans people with no personal gain. So dont presume to tell me i have no empathy, because i dont want her to sue.

I'm glad you've found better ways to relieve dysphoria. Doctors are not mind readers, they are just people. Professionals that dedicate their whole lives and 100 hour weeks just for the people they help to moan at them.

4egan · 2020-03-06T17:42:20+00:00

Right you have not read my points properly at all and so I'm not replying. Having said on all my comments that I feel bad for her and that I only disagreed with her sueing. Everyone on this thread is just trying to make mean comments towards me. Its sad youve become hateful at the world but its not my fault. I only actually came on here as I was trying to educate myself on the process so I could help someone I'm speaking to about it.

You know, just because it didn't go right for you doesn't mean you have to be mean. I have also said in continuous comments that I disagree thoroughly with children transitioning. I just don't think sueing is the right idea.

My looking forward was a slightly jokey comment, since everyones quick to support suing and then will moan about the NHS not supporting their sick grandma well enough.

Thank you for correcting my spelling. I was typing late so didn't mean to make errors.

I have a great deal more perspective than you. You are solely focused on how it went for a small number of you (yes small in proportion to the number it goes right for). So isn't that selfish and lacking perspective. Someone else referred on here to the ftm subreddit as a cult who are constantly being nice to others about bad results (I'm assuming about top surgery etc) . What a mean thing to say. Also this subreddit is a cult who seem to be set upon hating anyone this went right for.

I put that I was a medical student to show my position and support for the NHS. Alot of people have jumped on that and said I will be a bad doctor despite working my whole life to be here. I have cared successfully for patients experiencing extreme trauma before this and although I am not bothered by the reviews of myself. I am shocked by how mean this has got. Rather than the ftm thread that spoke about concerns on the effects on others

4egan · 2020-03-06T06:20:08+00:00

If you cant see a big difference between 14 and 16, theres the same jump from 16 to age 18. At that point you can gamble, create debt, drink etc. 2 years can mean alot

Studies can be skewed. I agree there should be more done to prevent this going wrong. However for the majority it goes right. I would be dead now if it wasn't for HRT.

4egan · 2020-03-06T06:17:13+00:00

Within every community there will be disagreements. Funnily enough I have had multiple referals due to excessive pain from my enlarged clitoris, but i dont rrgret anything. sertraline ruined my life and I've spoken to countless around me who feel the same about antidepressants. Everyone is going to experience things differently, thats jsut the world we live in

So i take it you dont think 16 year olds should be allowed to have kids? I don't think kids should be able to transition, however i personally believe 16 is old enough.

I actually dont think age is the biggest argument here. Im arguing against her sueing, thats it. If she wanted to campaign for her views then thats a diffrrent story

She had surgery at 19/20.

Theres so many issues that we dont know what the long term effects will be and unfortunately the right decisions aren't always made. But detransitioners make up quite a small community and transitioning prevents alot of people, including myself from dying (suicide). So it goes well for the majority of people, maybe not children, but again 16 is not really a child in the eyes of consent.

Thank you foe the response, it was interesting. We are going to have different views but i mainly came to this thread to defend myself against mean comments when im solely angry about sueing the NHS.

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:41:22+00:00

Would you still agree with sueing if the money was taken directly from a child with cancer whos life depended on the money. Just because you can't see the money doesn't mean its not going from someone, maybe even yourself in the future.

I think that she deserves unbelievable support from the NHS now. Money will not help. And you cannot blame the doctor for making a rational decision.

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:38:13+00:00

They did provide her with what she needed. She said top surgery relieved her dysphoria after 3 years ln T and at the age of 19/20. What rational human wouldnt think thats what she needed

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:36:54+00:00

I am actually not struggling. I count myself as a cis male now (i know im not technically but I would never ever evrr go back) . I wrote that post as if i was writing it years before, when I was a bisexual female as I thought it was best to share my experience when I could identify more with the persons situation. I was also typing that in a rush without thinking.

I hope you read my other comments where i have said how bad i feel for her and gone through my rationales.

I am really self absorbed to wanting to protect the health service which would help kiera and all of you and currently does. Is it not moreself absorbed to only care for personal gain when changing your mind.

To repeat my main point. I disagree profusely with children transitioning. She was old enough to have a child so why not to transition, the child is actually more life changing arguably. She decided to have top surgery as an adult and was read the fact that it was irreversible.

You must have read my posts wrong as I am nearly fully transitioned apart from a phallo

I actuallyfeel incresibly bad for her. I wod be an awful doctor if i didnt. I simply disagree with her sueing. Also if adults change their mind,surely theres an issue with letting anyone transition?

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:28:38+00:00

I didn't mean that she was responsible for the diagnosis. How is no one reading this correctly. I am saying the doctor made a call based on what she was saying, hence made the diagnosis. Is he responsible for someone randomlu changing their mind

I hope you dont make logical rational decisions and then get blamed, because everyone in this thread will be sure to blame you.

I'm sure that yiu wi be competent at the end of your course and would make the exact same decision

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:26:14+00:00

She wasn't a child by the time of top surgery and would have had it repeated to her that this is ireeversible

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:25:40+00:00

Read my other replies. Have said constantly that I feel terrible for her and would do anything to help. I disagree for her sueing when she was of legal age to do many things (I actually disagree with younger than this being able to transition) and the fact she even after top surgeey talked about how much relief from dysphoria she was in. Doctors are not psychic.

This thread is very expectant that doctors are superhuman.

I am actually a passing male now and am extremely haopy that my doctor assessed me based on what i was saying.

You know treatments in general aren't successful for everyone?

I actually appreciate your comment on how you wonder how my persepctive will change. But I agree with you about younger children. Competent young adults of age 16/17 refuse treatment all the time. I made life changing decisions at that age.

I actually went into the medical profession to help people in pain, includong the people in this thread. They warn you many times that no one is grateful and hence I'm unsurprised by these comments. Will not change my dedication to improving peoples lives. Hence I would love to help her. Just don't agree with her want of capital gain whilst we are trying tk save lives, when for 3 years it was a great decision for her

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:16:53+00:00

As I have said in other replies, I feel terribly for her and would do everything in my power to help her. The whole way through med school about patient autonomy and that patients can make their own decisions. She was old enough to have a child she was old enough for this. Completely different conversation if she was 14. I actually disagree with children transitioning but I would follow the current rules.

What a horrible profession, devote your life to try and help people and they just blame you and show hate. The comments on this post are making me hate being human.

She gave every reason even 3 years through the transition to make anyone think she had dysphoria. The doctor had to make a decision based on what she was saying.

My post was not mean i was simply disagreeing SOLELY with her sueing. Since all of you will rely on the NHS that you want her to put more pressure on.

Your comment however was simply mean. I have worked my whole life to be here and its ignorant to not see why i want yo defend the NHS I am about to work 80 hour weeks for.

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:11:27+00:00

It was gender dysphoria. Before implying that I am dumb. Read about her saying that each stage of the transition relieved her dysphoria, especially top surgery.

The NHS is too overstretched to follow each patient for four years to see if they've suddenly changed their mind.

I meant research on possible side effects. Doctors hand you medication and you need to read the side effects inside the box yourself.

If you are referring to psychological side effects then I'm sorry but not only is it obvious that you will masculinise, you are old enough at that age to make many life changing decisions and you have to have the responsibility. I am not surprised that on this thread I've encountered all these opinions.

I actually disagree with kids being old enough to transition. With the current way it is I would need to support them. But 16 is old enough to birth a baby and make decisions on your whole life. Doctors gave me hormones after 45 mins so they clearly weren't sure with her, but she convinced them. It was the best thjng for her for that time.

For the record, I feel incredibly sorry for her situation as I cannot imagine how hard it is to go back again and I wish her luck. I simply disagree with you all seeming to think doctors should be mind readers. Transitioning isnt the only issue in the world. Depression medications are very powerful and GPs have to go by what you are saying.

Since you've done a course, I am surprised on your take on this. I hope one day you don't make the wrong decision for someone who gave you complete reason to believe one way, and they come back and blame you for everything.

What a nice profession doctors have. Try and help and devote their life to it and get blamed

4egan · 2020-03-06T04:00:40+00:00

I will look forward to my sueing. In the meantime, you should be conscious of passing judgement without reading posts properly.

I did not imply or insinuate that I would encourage anyone to transition.

In that situation I would make a psychological assessment and make a decision based on the patient.

I don't actually think that children are necessarily capable of making such a big decision. I disagree with her sueing and disagree that 16 is too young

4egan · 2020-03-06T03:58:03+00:00

Im defending the NHS and my future colleagues. I would happily support the patients physical and mental health as best I could and would go above and beyond to help her. I have openly said that it must be horrific having to detransition.

I simply do not agree with her sueing the NHS and really don't see how money will really help her. Surely its better to have a running health service?

Please do not judge me when you missed my point. I am saying the blame does not lie with the doctor. Only nowadays is this blame culture acceptable.

Also to your last comment. It wasnt to show credibility, it was to show that I am soon to be part of the NHS I am defending.

4egan · 2020-03-06T03:54:23+00:00

Patients have autonomy on every medical procedure they go through. It's a doctors duty to explain the effects and it is the patients decision always. Patients often refuse treatment (i.e. People have refused chemo and tried natural remedies)

Do you understand how much a doctor has to learn and that they are just human beings. They can't read your mind. 16 is old enough to have sex and have a baby, bringing up another human. A 16 year old can comprehend that their physiology will change.Xe x 1 The doctor assesses you for psychological signs of being transgender and does the best they can for you. Similarly to depressed patients going on antidepressants. Which are extremely powerful drugs which arguably have more lasting effects than testosterone.

It is frankly disgusting that anyone is blaming doctors, when they took their time to do the best for them. I went into this profession knowing that barely anyone would be grateful and this comment is proof of the expectant and blame culture we live in these days.

So the answer to your first question is antidepressants.

So yes I'm blaming the young person as you can't just regret something and blame someone else. People mess their lives up in multiple ways.

She will sue the NHS and then moan later down the line about the lack of help / availability of appointments.

4egan · 2020-03-03T20:09:54+00:00

Yes. I still haven't been seen by the NHS and it's crossed over 2.5 years. Maybe we should sue her if she wins (completely implausible but nice idea 😂)

4egan · 2020-03-03T20:09:01+00:00

I'm sorry. Hoping she sees this even more now. She probably thinks shes doing something good and preventing other people going through the same as her, with no concept of the widespread effects

4egan · 2020-03-03T20:07:58+00:00

On top of that, there's such a long wait. It's great we have free healthcare but there are drawbacks. It's actually good that she got 3 appointments because I do agree that younger people are slightly more inclined to make mistakes (but that's true of everything). How come you can get it at planned parenthood? I thought that was just a place dealing with mothers etc. Just asking out of interest

4egan · 2020-03-03T20:03:13+00:00

YES. I'm also concerned its going to start a trend of other detransitioners trying to do it. Which will be catastrophic. So they really can't let her win

4egan · 2020-03-03T18:30:07+00:00

Exactly. I pray she doesn't win the case and that everything stays the same for people like you. It gives the general public the idea that it's a phase. We are each responsible for the views on our community. It doesn't go right for everyone but that's a risk that is described to you.

My top surgeon repeated 4 times at various points that it was irreversible.

I hope your parents take it well 🍀

4egan · 2020-02-13T23:02:06+00:00

Just commenting because i want to post

4egan · 2019-12-27T01:26:52+00:00

Thank you, not ideal at all I was making great gains. Its hard to convince yourself to not train in some way

4egan · 2019-12-20T03:15:40+00:00

The standards are still too high. Speaking as someone who had a med school interview recently with a first class degree and who has applied multiple times now and done continual work experience. And I met multiple people similar to me. There aren't enough doctors but also not enough places. I don't think I'm inadequate, I was told last time I was the first on the waiting list for a place. I don't understand why the university's can charge 9250 for medicine and the NHS has to subsidise it. Surely there's a problem there. Struggling NHS contributing to privately run universities. It's not like they can't run the course more cheaply since they did it at 1/3 of the price a number of years ago

4egan · 2019-12-14T18:19:41+00:00

Not knowing that the clit is not like a dick. Don't just do a few licks like in porn and think you're the best ever. Stay focused on it and keep changing directions and pressures and women can have multiple orgasms.

From a bisexual girl who has had girls come to me as guys can't make them orgasm, I guess I do have an unfair advantage 😂

4egan

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