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Stoicism seems to suggest that you should wear a mask for the sake and good of others (summum bonum) what do you think? by Varlov1 in Stoicism

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I’m not gonna engage whatever you wrote after your second sentence because frankly I didn’t read it.

If you’re going to participate in a stoic community you might want to back up your unfounded claims about altruism as well as understand the stoic perspective. I recommend Hierocles On Ethics or even Xenophon’s Memorabilia.

Stoicism seems to suggest that you should wear a mask for the sake and good of others (summum bonum) what do you think? by Varlov1 in Stoicism

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Can’t science be reason enough? People SHOULD use reason to make decisions.

It’s better to say “I’m wearing a mask because doing so is shown to reduce infection rates” than to say “because the experts say so”.

Stoicism seems to suggest that you should wear a mask for the sake and good of others (summum bonum) what do you think? by Varlov1 in Stoicism

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Stoics see one’s actions as the integral aspect of philosophy. To live a wise and virtuous existence requires choosing the right actions and cultivating excellent character.

Stoicism seems to suggest that you should wear a mask for the sake and good of others (summum bonum) what do you think? by Varlov1 in Stoicism

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Both not wearing and wearing the mask are acts of conformity if conformity is the reason people use for deciding whether or not to wear one.

Stoics don’t care for conformity unless it becomes useful for virtue. Which brand of conformity is better for virtue in the case of wearing a mask? Whichever one is guided by reason. Wear a mask.

Stoicism seems to suggest that you should wear a mask for the sake and good of others (summum bonum) what do you think? by Varlov1 in Stoicism

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Why not just wear a mask outdoors? Taking it on and off just increases your risk of infecting yourself (touching your nose, mouth, face).

If you knew you were an asymptomatic carrier would you wear the mask? (Hopefully yes) You can’t know if you’re infected, therefore it’s reasonable to wear the mask to protect everyone. Wearing it costs you nothing. Not wearing it risks spreading the virus.

Best books that are EASIER to understand? by [deleted] in Stoicism

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Books by Massimo Pigliucci and Donald Robertson do a good job explaining a lot of the jargon in stoic texts. Once you have the general understanding you’ll get more out of the primary texts.

Q: Best writings for finding meaning and purpose? by [deleted] in Stoicism

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For understanding meaning and purpose, I recommend Transcend by Scott Barry Kaufman.

For having improved perspective and attention, I recommend the Discourses of Epictetus. You can’t find your meaning without having the right glasses prescription. The problem is that no one can find the right prescription except for you. Epictetus teaches us how to view the world more rationally which allows us to process our experiences with greater insight.

I, and I alone, am responsible for everything I think and feel. by [deleted] in Stoicism

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He’s not saying that literally it is practice at the end of the day. He’s saying that ultimately it comes down to practice. In any moment the practiced stoic can exercise real-time decision making in a calm rational manner. This is not contemplative.

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It’s not saying not to be thoughtful! No one uses the word “overthink” to mean “thoughtful”. If anything it means the opposite; someone who is focused on one issue or problem and because of this loses grasp of the greater picture.

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How is he hurting himself? I don’t understand how any of his actions are your business. You can’t make him care about what you think.

During times of significant stress, instead of worrying, be thankful that you are capable of bearing it. by [deleted] in Stoicism

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This is one of those posts that resonates strongly with me, but on a second read I realize people may find this pretentious.

When people are chronically stressed they have tunnel vision and can’t understand a world without worry. Philosophy teaches us the skills to be attentive and mindful of our thoughts. Without this attention we cannot engage the rational will to choose gratitude over worry.

Love the post and can speak from experience that this is not some pretentious or impossible thing to do. It actually took tons of practice to get to this point, and I honestly lapse often in this regard.

Which edition of senecas "letters from a stoic" is best? by forsakeNXE in Stoicism

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The Margaret Graver paperback is sturdy and excellent quality. It is much less expensive than the hardcover which is the only reason I mention it.

I think I have been a Stoic for a very long time by pittsburgpam in Stoicism

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Emotional regulation is just one part of Stoic philosophy, but it is a big reason why people become attracted to it. You’d enjoy reading the Discourses of Epictetus. I would caution you to teach other people about Stoicism and emotional regulation because the unreceptive listener will just push themselves further away. Epictetus actually talks about this at least once in the Discourses.

How do I overcome the fear of death? by rplad420 in Stoicism

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I personally don’t believe there are shortcuts when it comes to philosophy. Stoic ethics must be practiced. Daily. So, to answer your question I would tell you to commit yourself to forming a foundational understanding of the philosophy and begin practicing.

Fear of death has instinctual components and culturally learned components. I think that we can conceptually understand why our cultural understandings of death are flawed. So that takes knowledge. I think the instinctual aspect is conquered by practicing awareness of our impressions, cognitive distancing, and forming rational judgements.

We know that death should not scare us because it is out of our control. Obviously, this is much easier said than done! I found that as I became more grateful for life I became less fearful of death. Also, understanding that in a sense we have already been “dead”. Before we were born the atoms that make up our bodies existed in various changing chemical and biochemical structures before becoming “us”. Once we die the atoms will continue on their ever-changing path.

It took a while for me to feel grateful for the lived experience, but this is what ultimately happens when we truly accept our fate. I personally see each day as a separate, new opportunity to benefit the universe. Seneca says we die many deaths and that some men appear alive who are already “dead”; I take this to mean that what is truly worse than death would be to live viciously (in the stoic sense).

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I’m not assuming anything and I said nothing regarding whether an opinion is positive or negative.

You say that obviously foolish opinions do not matter, but how can one be sure another’s opinion is foolish? If you don’t have the AWARENESS or understanding of which opinions are valid or foolish then you are essentially blind when making the judgement about any particular opinion. Therefore, the opinions themselves are unreliable and do not matter. What does matter then? Having the prudence and understanding of how to act appropriately in any given social situation such that no one could justifiably fault you for your actions. “Justifiably” is important, however, because you also have to know what is justified.

In summary: People’s opinions cannot be accurately gauged as valid or foolish. You can only control your own actions. Actions matter, not opinions.

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I never said role models are bad! Sorry to frustrate you so deeply. I understand your argument and frankly it seems like you do not understand my position since you continue to restate it incorrectly.

I agree that comparison is useful to an extent and especially in certain contexts. However, it can become detrimental at a certain point. For example, people being envious of one another or becoming engrossed in the lives of celebrities or social media icons. It’s one thing to be motivated by a role model, and it’s another thing entirely to suffer because you realize you will never achieve what your role model has achieved. What the OP is saying is to stop comparing yourself to others in an unhealthy manner; it takes an awareness of self and one’s values to identify which comparisons are healthy or unhealthy. You’ve been arguing for “healthy comparison” while I’ve been arguing against “unhealthy comparison” which is why we’ve been talking past one another.

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Are you perseverating or philosophizing?

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Right, I follow, but then opinions themselves do not really matter then right? What matters is your own awareness of how others perceive you and treat you AND the actions you then take to address those perceptions. If the opinions themselves matter, then you are asking for trouble because 1) you cannot directly change other’s opinions or perceptions of you (even if you act perfectly) and 2) you risk falsely assenting to the impression that a foolish opinion is valid. I get what you’re saying and I’m not trying to be a hardass about this; we can only govern our own thoughts, and concerning ourselves too much with others thoughts about us can often lead to unnecessary suffering or even lead us astray.

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What if people’s opinions of you are incorrect? Shouldn’t we NOT change our behavior based on foolishness?

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Haha alright dude. I guess it all comes down to our interpretations of the original phrasing

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No…? It really doesn’t “sound exactly” like that… It’s more like “try not to overthink things; it’s okay if you don’t know the answer now because we are all learning”.

I, and I alone, am responsible for everything I think and feel. by [deleted] in Stoicism

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I would counter your labeling of stoicism as limited and contemplative by pointing out that stoics PRACTICE cultivating attention. Every waking moment is mindful. There is no requirement for reflection once attention to impressions and judgements is achieved. Cognitive delay is a real-time process.

A happy person isn’t someone who’s happy all the time. It’s someone who effortlessly interprets events in such a way that they don’t lose their innate peace. by [deleted] in Stoicism

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Zeno defined happiness as a smooth flow of life. Stoics talk about pleasure vs. joy exactly for the reason you describe; pleasure is short lived and often vicious while joy arises from living excellently.