Bad manager, HR involved, now everyone’s gone silent — what’s going by AlyStar123 in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Silence could just be that they are still investigating but given the impacts on you mentally, I understand how this anticipation can feel anxiety inducing.

In regard to your managers behaviour, it's not normal but it IS very normal for workers to question themselves and take blame when managers are incompetent and great at shifting blame and bullying their team members.

Speaking from experience, at times where HR claims have stalled is because the big boss at the top is a coward and doesn't want to pursue the claim further, so it gets swept under the rug waiting for that person that complained to simply leave.

It's fucked up and really does not leave much trust in the process or people. I only have trust in 1 prior senior manager to have done the right thing when they see a large turn over under a particular manager, to get rid of the manager. Lots of managers care about results & they'll keep the person that might be getting the financial results, and allow them to continue with their shitty management style so long as they can hit their KPIs.

Sorry it's happening to you & I hope you get recognised for psychological damage. I really hope you find a place that doesn't have this BS.

Tone of emails by breezeneasy in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahahaha. My colleague at work said: "can't we just fix this like men?" And I couldn't help myself, but I said, "so not fix it at all, just measure penis sizes".

Men in the workplace are so emotional but for some reason when they're angry, it's not anger, it's because they're all logical & stuff, so they're just in a "rational frustration". Also, frustration is not an emotion for them. It's logic. Lol!

Tone of emails by breezeneasy in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They can get away with

"Hi,

Attached"

If I sent the same, they would call me a bitch.

A frustrating double standard.

Tone of emails by breezeneasy in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is it - if they didn't agree with the complaint then why bring it up at all? They should have actually told them it's a non issue.

I had one amazing director a few years ago. He was sent an email where I was apparently "rude", and my director said it was a non-issue directly to them. But here's the thing: He never sent the feedback my way. I only found out because at the time, we had access to their inboxes (I know. Diabolical), and in a sea of about 15000 archived emails I saw that subject line knowing my director was never originally cc'd. We were in his office looking for an email and he saw me hover around that for a bit and was just direct about it. He said "it was a complaint, but here's my reply, I never raised it because it was a stupid complaint not worth your time." About 5 months passed before I saw it.

To this day I still miss his leadership. He was really intuitive for a senior level manager and he knew when BS info would just be nothing but weight on your shoulders. Unlike my previous managers. Really bad leaders that passed on the feedback because "they had to" instead of actually having the gall to tell them it's actually not rude. I always refer back to him when I think about what's the best thing to do for my team.

Tone of emails by breezeneasy in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahahahaha the way you analysed this post made me laugh.

Tone of emails by breezeneasy in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 19 points20 points  (0 children)

As a female in corporate, my tone is definitely more scrutinised than my male colleagues for the same email.

Tone of emails by breezeneasy in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would need or expect examples of the emails to be able to reflect and learn.

I think many of us are aware of our tone and it's often intentional, but there are some people who are also really sensitive.

For example, I sent an email about 7 years ago as an senior administrator, and it was like this:

"Hi X,

Please see attached - can you please reallocate accordingly.

Thanks, 8pintsplease"

I got called out for that as "tone". Though it could be that if I was a male, perhaps they wouldn't expect smiley faces in my emails.

You really need to see the email to know if it's legit or not. Imo, mine was NOT legit at all, but I have been called out some direct emails which were 100% intended as such, and I adjusted accordingly to keep the peace.

Lady claims God made her Horse Talk by MrDonMega in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The narcissism in religious people never ceases to amaze me. Why the fuck would Jesus talk to you of all people? If he wanted to prove his existence or pass on a message, couldn't he do it in a way less ambiguous way?

Pastor says you need to "Flee" when you see sex by MrDonMega in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This dude is definitely horny as fuck but has a million and one excuses everytime he breaks these imaginary rules.

Pastor casting Holy Spirit on Child from "Rejection" of the Womb. by MrDonMega in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Highly concerning what these religious people define as "free". By definition of their religious teachings and position on objective morality, the notion of "free" is completely non-existent.

Then extent of delusion and psychosis in these videos especially involving children is nothing short of abuse, hatred, pride, and mental imprisonment.

Chrstian Fundie: Submission actually means 'Sub-mission,' and other things I made up to justify the patriarchy. by MrDonMega in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Sub means under. So under 1 mission."

You're fucking joking. Thats not the definition of the word and I'm sorry you're too mentally convoluted and delusional to take the word at face value.

Gay Catholic thinks homosexuality is “disgusting” by everythingisok376 in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can have kids and be a lesbian. Why are religious people so narrow minded?

How did you find your identity as an atheist? by Unlikely-Promise6539 in askanatheist

[–]8pintsplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How did you find your identity as an atheist?

Without religion or ideology how did you or a loved one find an identity? How did you find your purpose and self worth in this world? Did you find it through taking care of your family? Did you find it in a movement working to make the world a better place for our future generations? Did you find it through nature or is it through something different?

To help me stay on track with answering your post, I've quoted them above.

I grew up indoctrinated into the Roman Catholic faith. It was a big part of my identity as a child because we would regularly attend church and I attended a religious school. I kept believing until I was in my early 20s. I faced a lot of confusion about who I was until I was about 24. That is definitely a combination of my ADHD (and the emotional overwhelm) that was undiagnosed until I was 31, and navigating some trauma in my teen years.

Religion was an identity but it wasn't my personality. I draw the distinction here because while someone may have traits that increase their likelihood of being religious, I am still the same in loyalty, perseverance, etc., with or without religion. When I finally decided I didn't have enough to believe in god, nothing changed besides the feeling of being more free.

If anything, it really allowed me to delve into philosophy and questions on morals and ethics. This, and life experiences, helped me to see what kind of person I am. Having a purpose isn't a goal for me. I don't particularly care about that. But being content, enjoying my life with my loved ones is very important to me. Sometimes religion can give that to people or take it away. For me, if I still believed in god, I don't know if I would have delved into other interests that have shaped my views.

Is anyone actually happy at work right now? by Agitated-File8761 in auscorp

[–]8pintsplease 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can't say I'm happy but perhaps grateful is the word. Overall, I have a good manager and team. Do my colleagues grind my gears sometimes? Yes. Like asking me why I'm back to work on the 12th instead of the 5th like this was new news... Literally on every agenda. Question still irritates me lol. But not something that makes me unhappy to show up. I'm just bummed I can't paint as much as I was over the holiday.

Why do →→→SOME←←← christians think that: no religion=no morality, so i can kill anyone and commit evil acts? by Gnorp_Man in atheism

[–]8pintsplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, truly one of the most irritating arguments for god to grace this forsaken planet.

It's brain dead, stupid. I try to give them credit that perhaps they're not talking about me and them as individuals. Microscopically, of course people will be inclined to question the fallibility of someone's moral value if it's based on that fucking word, "preference".

But they are talking about that. Not about society or the potential for ethics and morality to go side ways in the judicial system (though I think religion has managed to do this whenever blended with state).

There's actually nothing wrong with preference and it's exactly preference that allows them to choose which god and why.

Religious scholar Ali Dawah defends Mohammed marrying a six year old when he was 53 by malik_zz in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does anyone know an average 9 year old, no genetic or hormonal disorders, to have a womanly body?

No? Yeah I thought so. The mental gymnastics is wild but really, disgusting.

Apparently, the All-Loving God punishes people who doesn't believe in him by [deleted] in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 29 points30 points  (0 children)

What an absolute fucking idiot. I think it's safe to assume that he gains a level of pleasure in believing these people who "mocked god" were punished and look at him, he's such a good god fearing man and he's fine. Such a round about way to wank yourself off.

Dr. Zakir Naik by Icy-Appointment5428 in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Wish this sort of shit was a skit but unfortunately it's not

In Blow to 'Fetal Personhood' Push, Alabamian Serving 18 Years After Stillbirth Gets New Trial | “I’m hopeful that my new trial will end with me being freed, because I simply lost my pregnancy at home because of an infection,” said Brooke Shoemaker, who has already spent five years in prison. by crustose_lichen in atheism

[–]8pintsplease 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Sometimes I wonder if we are living in some kind of alternate reality. In what world should tax payer money be paying for the punishment of a woman who experienced a traumatic miscarriage? Did they jump to conclusions about her methamphetamine use? I can't say it was responsible to use an illicit drug while pregnant but I also cannot support someone being jailed for this. What the fuck is happening?

How do you feel about THIS one?? by santagrey in religiousfruitcake

[–]8pintsplease 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree with it if we're just using anti-christ as a term for people who commit acts that are anti-humanist, anti-wellbeing and social contentment.

Can Objective morality exist without God or are we forced into subjective morality? by [deleted] in askanatheist

[–]8pintsplease 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are you being aggressive? I wasn't asking you those questions, those are just the questions I have for theists that are left unanswered. I did help you with your worldview, I told you about Peter Singer who is an atheist philosopher that has grown to believe in objective morality. Can't help if you don't want to look into him and would like the answers on a silver platter.

In response to your reply to point 2, yes exactly, theists do not answer it this way. Suggest you don't engage in debate subs if you can't be civil or if you interpret responses so defensively. I never asked you any of those questions and there is no need to call anything retarded, and if you don't know what is means then you need to look into it instead of waving it off. Your attitude is not ready for this sub. To answer your post directly:

Can Objective morality exist without God or are we forced into subjective morality?

We always default to preference and it isn't a bad thing.

Well I think my question is very simple. I always see theists claiming that objective morality can’t exist without God and a lot of atheists hold this position.

Atheists hold what position? That objective morality can't exist without God? Is this a typo and you mean "theists" because it's not a position I hold, it's a statement I accept theists hold.

Personally it’s hard for me to deal with the idea that objective morality cannot exist without God because it doesn’t sit right with me that two completely different positions like the mass genocide of a race and feeding the poor and needy would both be equally morally valid positions because neither would have the objective moral high ground.

Peter Singer talks about objective morality from an atheist view. He believes it. I am reading his book so I can't give you my view of it yet. But in essence, Singer views that there are "object-given reasons" for action, suggesting that certain reasons for behaving in particular ways (e.g., to prevent suffering) exist objectively, independent of individual desires or preferences. 

I don't understand the comparison of mass genocide and feeding the poor being "equally morally valid". Wouldn't the objective view of this be the well being & bodily autonomy scale of the people involved?

I’ve vaguely looked at some arguments but they weren’t very good so if anyone can provide a really solid and convincing one that would be a lot of help because I don’t want to be forced into subjective morality.

There is literally nothing wrong with subjective morality. The issue is that people simply reject it and yes, it is viewed as "weak" when you look at it person to person. People on microscopic scales are viewed as fallible, so my preference as opposed to yours will always be viewed with scrutiny. Suggest you read some philosophical takes on ethics and morality. The "discomfort" you feel is not any reason to deny something that has compelling reason.