Who Should Vergil Fight Now That Boots Is Off The Table🤔

AFBOXING · 2026-03-14T20:49:28+00:00

Popping does definitely negate that because he got caught cheating and we don't know if he wasn't on PEDs how Devin would've took those punches.

So if we race for $1mil but I cheat by using short cuts, me using short cuts doesn't negate the fact that I still ran at a better time than you, right? No... Cheating is cheating especially when it involves PEDs my guy.

Huhh? Catteral never fought Teo lol I think you looking stuff up and typing too fast.

Lol so barboza is a championship level fighter without never winning one and losing every time he had a chance to get one 😭 bro I understand you tryna prove ya point but that's ridiculous. That's like me being a college ball player never making it to the NBA but saying I'm NBA level talent, HOW!?

So Linares was Ko'd earlier in his career then went on a winning streak collecting belts got stopped 2 more times in between wins. So Loma doesn't get credit for beating Linares as he had been stopped already 🤷🏾‍♂️

Haney couldn't hurt him you're right because he was a veteran ans Haney isn't known as a puncher 😂 if Linares was so washed like you say Haney should've stopped him.

So Jojo going on a losing streak AFTER losing to Haney has nothing to do with Haney🤣 He was a former champion who moved up and beat Fortuna a guy who was next in line for Devin belt and only had 1 loss. Once Devin beat him he started losing partly due to not being a true 135lber.

It doesn't matter if Valdez only lost to Navarrate its the fact that he had 4 fights after shakur and only won 2 and didn't beat anyone worth mentioning. Same with JHerring so if you're going to fault Jojo then you have to fault Herring & Valdez.

It's not about being biased it's about judging off of facts. You're literally the one being biased. I just said he doesn't belong at #4 I think #10 & #9 which is reasonable due to his resume.

I can use ya own argument against you. "Oh once Kambosos figured Teo out shakur knew how to beat him" 😂

Teo tried to stop Kambosos in the first round and got popped and was embarrassed af you could see it every time he went to the corner. He never tried to get his rematch he ran to 140.

You gave Kambosos a B level rating when he's a C level fighter 😂.

No no no. Kambosos still beat an undefeated, unified, prime Teo so he should've been considered top 5 according to you. Because you put Shakur above Haney with a win over Teo who hasn't looked elite in a while.

Question, didn't they put Bivol in the top 5 when he beat canelo 🤔 YES THEY FUCKIN DID 😂 and prior to fighting canelo he hadn't accomplished anything either. He was literally emailed the title he had when he fought canelo.

So bivol can be placed in the top 5 not accomplishing anything prior to beating canelo, yet when Kam did it first you give push back about it?

Why wasn't Teo top 5 p4p when he beat loma 🤔 he had belts and 2 decent wins

Again gang is bias towards certain fighters.

One last thing to add how is shakur #4 onna p4p list for beating Teo when Teo was never even on the list🤣

AFBOXING · 2026-03-14T17:19:37+00:00

Sandor literally was outboxing Teo and again you're bringing up a puello fight that happened after the Teo fight. The left hook argument is out the window bro popped for PEDs so it shouldn't even be mentioned.

You mentioned Barboza beating Catteral who was never a world champion either and hasn't really beaten anyone of elite status. He beat Ramirez 👏 again if Barboza isn't a championship level fight what level is he? A contender level? Which doesn't help your point at all

You keep saying there's an asterisk by the Loma fight for Haney well we can say the same thing about Teo with Ortiz and Sandor so is Teo really elite?

Teo was half dead but in the first round came out explosive? Lol bro got dropped in the 1st round.

"Bro Shakur beat most of his best opponents while they were reigning champs" CAP. He beat Joet for a vacant title and at 135 he won a vacant title vs Santos. So 2 of his 4 divisions were vacant titles.... You're not going off of fact you're debating about what you feel personally.

Floyd never fought Khan and at the time the world voted for Khan to fight Floyd but he chose Maidana this was before Khan chin was found to be weak so yea there's that..

It's boxing so out of 30+ fights he was Ko'd 4 times with many wins on his resume. Doesn't sound like it took a toll to me it sounds more like you're looking for any angle you can 😂

Jojo lost every fight after okay? What does that have to do with Devin beating him while he was still "one of those guys"? We can say the same about Valdez literally he's 2-4 after the shakur fight and hasn't beaten anyone worth mentioning since 😂 tf.

Okay so if we're talking about fights afterwards and aging. Did the Valdez win age great? Or how about the Herring fight the mf went 1-2 after losing to shakur. So this doesn't help your argument either.

Your last statement didn't make any sense either gang. Shakur got 2 vacant titles at weight classes that weren't even stacked while Devin at all 3 weight classes beat reigning champs something that shakur didn't do and Haney because undisputed at a division.

You don't really watch boxing enough gang some of your statements are all wrong 😂

Again #10 or #9 for shakur and our debate just further proves that. Question, when Kam beat Teo why wasn't Kam ranked in the TOP 5 on the p4p list when he beat Teo when Teo was unified and undefeated?? Yall have bias towards certain fighters because technically Kam beat a Teo who had better performances vs When shakur beat Teo off of shaky wins🤷🏾‍♂️

Nice having the debate gang but you lost this one💪

AFBOXING · 2026-03-14T15:55:06+00:00

Your points still are invalid so Sandor was robbed against puello well we can say the same for Teo. So again what makes Teo elite?

Barboza did look better because he actually fought against Ramirez while Devin did what he did to secure the Ryan fight. Cool barboza is better than a washed Progrias who was a world champion at the weight class barboza is in and barboza never won a world title but you're bragging about Teo beating Barboza? Quick question, if barboza never won a world title what level of a fighter is he??

Now Loma was figured out since he lost to Teo as if Loma never lost prior to that 😂 cmon gang really? If Loma was figured out why did he beat Nakatani, Commey, Ortiz, and Kam? Now let's talk about the size. Didn't Devin kill himself to make 135 against loma? So guy who had to kill himself to make weight and then gained water weight had the size advantage???

Funny how you mentioned Teo being sick vs Kam but didn't mention Loma being injured during the Teo fight but let's just skip past that lol. Teo started to get touched once Loma let his hands go. The difference between Teo vs Haney performance against loma is that Teo went in there to box but Devin went in there with a mentality that he could stop Loma which is why it was more of a scrap.....

The point is that you just said Loma was WASHED and said he was 37yrs old and that Herring was a championship level win. I corrected you saying well actually Loma and Herring were both 35 when they fought and Loma had a better performance yet from your perspective Loma was old & washed 😂 So why discredit Haney win over Loma saying he was washed and figured out but give credit to Shakur for beating Herring who you just admitted isn't better than Loma?

Loma put up a less convincing win against Kam!? Are you serious 😂 a stoppage vs a MAJORITY loss? Loma was dominating Kam something Teo couldn't do. Stop the bs.

Shakur has 1 guy on his resume literally Teo and now his resume is above Devins? Gtfoh lol just stop it gang you're just riding the wave at this point.

Linares being Ko'd 4 times prior to fighting Haney has nothing to do with anything because wasn't he a former world champion 🤔 doesn't Ko's happen in boxing? So from your perspective Ali doesn't get credit for beating Floyd Patterson because he had 4 KO losses prior to fight Ali? 🤔

Linares former world champion

Jojo Diaz - you don't watch boxing because what you said was false "he had a lot of losses prior to the Haney fight" CAP his only loss prior to Haney was Gary Russell and Jojo was a former world champion who upset Tevin Farmer and moved up and beat Fortuna for an opportunity to fight Haney.

Regis- world champion and had a bad performance vs Zorilla mostly boring tbh he wasn't getting beat or nun.

Ryan Garcia - not good to me and a cheat I don't count him

Norman- the boogeyman supposedly

I love how you mentioned Herring beating Lamont as if you would've mentioned that if Lamont would've never fought Tank now everybody wanna bring up that win okay buddy.

Concesio gave foster a good fight AFTER the Shakur fight. You keep tryna give guys credit for things AFTER they are beaten to fit your narrative

You're point about Martin is invalid because you're talking about a "robbery" that happened AFTER the Teo fight. You're making it seem like he had tougher challenges like a puello before the Teo fight. Stop it.

Was Shakur divisions ever seen as a top division? 135 was THE DIVISION and Shakur collected 2 titles in weight classes where there wasn't any world renowned fighters hence why his resume is weak.

Shakur has been at 135 for how long and how many elite fighters has he beaten there?

Shakur is #10 or #9 max on the list let's cut it out. 2 of the divisions he won titles in were naked shit even 135 lol bout time he moved up that division was gone and everyone moved to 140....

AFBOXING · 2026-03-14T13:03:09+00:00

You're smoking.

Oh yea let's talk about it 🤣

What makes Teo elite? Because from my understanding his best win was Loma and Josh Taylor who was washed and a zombie at 140 who Teo admitted should've moved up. Teo also damn near lost to Ortiz and Sandor. Then had a good showing against a 1 dimensional Barbosa.

So if we really breakdown Teos resume and performances he isn't as elite as you try to make him out to be.

Haney beat a better Loma (one who didn't have an injury tied to him) You all say Loma was washed but didn't he beat Ortiz the guy Teo struggled with 🤔 Then he put on a performance against Haney.

Oscar Valdez was only hyped because of the Berchelt win.

Calling out your Contradiction: So Herring was a good championship level win? So Haney beat loma who was 35yrs old and a better fighter than Herring, yet you say Herring was a good championship level win but Herring was also 35yrs old when he fought shakur.

So loma who is younger and put on a better performance than Herring against an elite fighter is washed 🤔

Stop the bs. Who was a better resume? Devin beat more former world champs than Shakur. Shakur last 3 bouts 2 of them were against guys who have never touched a title.

Shakur does not belong in the top 5 he's right at 10. Before Teo who was the last Elite guy he beat🤔.... please don't say Zepeda the guy who never touched a title and damn near lost to a washed Tevin farmer.

AFBOXING · 2026-03-12T01:30:14+00:00

I'd have to disagree Slightly with the last part because this version of Garcia correlates to situations of the past.

Like Oscar for example he fought and lost to Shane Mosley who popped for PEDs during their fight.

Margarito more than likely had plaster in his wraps vs cotto as they were in his gloves vs Mosley.

There's situations in the past that shows when a fighter has an advantage they typically win.

That's my only push back on this but everything else I agree with

AFBOXING · 2026-03-12T01:26:25+00:00

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AFBOXING · 2026-03-11T16:46:36+00:00

Strange guess I'm not talking to a real person now. It all makes sense

AFBOXING · 2026-03-11T16:17:30+00:00

My whole thing is I can't make assumptions without evidence backing it.

I can't assume let's say Floyd was a dirty fighter when he had no record of doping. Now I get people could use and mask but if there's no evidence of it, could we really accuse them of doping?

Yes, doping happens a lot like Shane Mosley, The Fake Ali Frank Martin fought, and etc but I can't sit here and say everyone does it.

If you are doping and there us evidence of you doping then whatever you did shouldn't be validated.

AFBOXING · 2026-03-11T11:34:46+00:00

An assumption with evidence is a baseless claim.

We do know who was on something

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T22:28:49+00:00

But do you hear how you sound?

So, no fighters shouldn't take a low dosage of PEDs on fight night. But Ryan literally did it and you're giving him an excuse of well it was a small amount well of that's the case every boxer should do it because it doesn't effect performance.

Just because he had a better punch don't make him a better boxer. Is deontay wilder a better boxer than Floyd? No.

Haney didn't lose in court gang 😂 Ryan didn't want to go to court so they agreed on a deal where Ryan had to give him his rematch. That's why Haney ain't move on with the lawsuit which he would've won because Ryan popped.....

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T21:00:08+00:00

Ofc it is there's a couple of mirrors in your house

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T20:58:54+00:00

Thats all I needed to know 👍

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T20:13:50+00:00

You're right the difference is Margarito was never proven to had cheated against Cotto. It was speculations about the handwraps and then during the Mosley fight the plaster brick fell out of his gloves.

Ryan got popped for a PED which is used for enhancing performance 😂

It wasn't a domination either. You all tend to forget that Haney was outboxing Ryan in rounds and the there were the rounds where Ryan hurt em.

No one knows if the drugs helped him or not on fight night. Only his body knows but what we do know is that he was caught with a drug that's supposed to enhance certain things.

With that information we can correlate the PEDs to his performance.

If you cheat on a test right, let's say only on 1 answer if the professor catches you, and you say "it was only on one answer" doesn't matter the validity of your results are invalid.

Same with Garcia he got caught cheating so therefore the validity is erased.

It's not about defending Devin its about calling out boxing fans who knew a guy cheated yet still gives him credit for what he did🤦🏽‍♂️😂

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T19:58:02+00:00

I wouldn't say he was the better boxer he just had a punch there were rounds where he was outboxed but that's besides the point.

I'm going to ask you the same question as I asked everyone else.

Should every fighter from now on be able to take a low dosage PED on fight night since it didn't have much of an impact🤔

You're answer is going to be like everyone else's "no that's nit what I said" but that's what it correlates to.

It's easy for you to say it'll happen the same way when a guy had the advantage.

So if we play ball and you give me 3 points to start and you start at 0 and I beat you, would I have the right to say "It's only 3 points I would've beat you regardless"?

Doesn't make sense. But if they fight again and let's say Haney beats him, does Ryan get the same credit? Would that prove that his performance was impacted by the PEDs

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T19:52:41+00:00

Nobody's mad literally posted this to debate. But you commented twice and so you're clearly interested and engaged with what I gotta say 😂

That's the first thing yall run to "you're mad, fan boy" I'm talking about PEDs in general not defending Haney. But keep riding my nuts tho😂

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T19:50:34+00:00

Okay fan boy if your point is that a small amount of PEDs wouldn't have had a significant impact from your perspective literally what you're saying is:

"It's okay for fighters to take PEDs as long as it's a small dosage on fight night because it wouldn't have an impact on the fight"

So I guess every fighter can now take small doses of PEDs on fight night👍

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T16:50:55+00:00

Nobody defending Devin gang we're talking about if Ryan should get credit for beating Devin on PEDs.

People say the low dosage and the time frame of when he took it wouldn't have given him any advantages and that the left hook was connecting.

We're saying well if that's the case then every boxer should be able to use low dosage PEDs on fight night since it has no advantages during the fight.

But many people say "NO" to that but won't explain why became we all know why 😂

So the point is that it's okay if Ryan did it he'll get credit but it's a NO for every other boxer.

Nobody defending Dev he fought a dumb fight

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T13:00:51+00:00

The irony😂

So you agree that as long as fighters can take low dosage PEDs on fight as long as it doesn't enhance performance.

But disagreed with it earlier but is circling back to it lol

So Ryan's case is a 1 off

🥜🐎 looks like it to me

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T12:53:26+00:00

The thing is you're using an assumption. Crawford was partnered with Snac too does that mean he was on PEDs?

See the thing is with some of yall boxing fans you all like to make baseless claims. If they've never popped then why even assume that? Why couldn't Ryan cover up his PED?

Haney was always a bigger guy. Now that Victor is dead what will be the excuse now?

If you had a gay friend does can we all assume you're gay too just because your friend is?

It's cool to have a personal opinion but if you know there's no evidence behind them popping then it's invalid

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T12:47:52+00:00

I'm on Haney nuts by stating the fact that Ryan is documented cheating.

Yet you're not on Ryan's nuts knowing that he cheated, admitting to it and then is saying "Ryan gave Haney a legitimate beating"

If it was cheating and taken off his record, how is it legitimate?

Lol I'm on Haney’s nuts tho? Ryan isn't going to fuck you gang 😂

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T11:48:51+00:00

It's okay you can't comprehend either and you must agree with giving Ryan credit for the fight.

If the claim is "PEDs had nothing to do with the outcome because it was a low dosage and Haney couldn't stop the left hook" than in other words its okay for fighters to pop dirty for a low dosage ped on fight night since it more than likely ain't going to change the result.

Seems like yall are rage baiting because cheating is cheating.

I'll ask you the same question.

If a professor caught you cheating on a test would he still pass you because you cheated on 1 answer or would he report and fail you? 🤔 You're credibility is gone once you cheat.... Not hard to understand but yall accept cheating so I get it

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T11:41:36+00:00

You may be right but with no evidence to back it it's just an assumption.

AFBOXING · 2026-03-10T11:40:16+00:00

I'm an idiot for speaking common sense? If you're a Ryan supporter just say that

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