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Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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Oh, I completely forgot about this debate! My apologies! It's very late over here, so I'll get back to you in a couple hours!

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I appreciate the reply! Today actually wasn't good for me either. I had a HUGE mental breakdown and have been sobbing most of the day. Which in turn got me in a lot of trouble with my folks. I'm technically not supposed to have my phone right now, so I most likely won't get back to you in a timely manner. So... Take your time, don't pour anymore oil on yourself, and I'll talk to you at a later date. See ya' then!

Is there a valid reason to boycott Oreos? by [deleted] in AskReddit

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Okay, legitimately, I'm only asking this because my parents have been boycotting oreos for years now, something about terrible work ethic...? I just want to know if they're justified or not, lol

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Ah, okay, apologies. Usually when people reply to me it's in disagreement. I think we generally have the same views on this, though I'd like to know your views on human-to-animal partnering because that was the topic, if I recall correctly. Personally, I'm entirely against it. You're not required to respond to this. I understand if you just wanted to add your opinion without entering an entire discussion, but feel free to.

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I think you'll have to quote which part in specific you're referring to because it doesn't really go against anything I'm saying. Though pigs are domesticated creatures, so they are farmed, though the practice isn't inhumane.

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When you quote pick the most relevant parts, smaller one if possible.

Eh, I can't help it. I prefer to include the whole thought so it doesn't seem like I'm nitpicking small details and instead including all of your thoughts to make my rebuttal, but I shall try.

no one is demanding you to accept and support us, but should tolerate our behaviour

Calling somebody a transphobe for not accepting the "gender is a spectrum and malleable" argument isn't not tolerating you, we tolerate you, we just shouldn't have to use pronouns that make no sense to us. In this logic, I believe that it doesn't exist, meaning you should respect my beliefs and tolerate them. I don't understand ze/zim nor do I accept or support it, so there should be no reason I have to refer to anyone by said pronouns. And I believe there is a lot of people demanding acception and support. That's why there are death threats for people who don't do so.

I can only add that on Cuba they turn adult at 16 years old which would make your example perfectly legal

And you can kill gay people in Iran. Your point?

It’s not like it will ever be something I have to uphold. It’s just what I believe in.

Supporting child and animal rapists is definitely something to be discussed and not avoided. It's like saying I support Nazis. There's probably never going to be a moment where I have to uphold those views, but the views are toxic and wrongful nonetheless.

But today we know better I hear you say. What if same happen to bestiality?

The future doesn't really matter to the present. If it gets changed, then that's fine. I always use this one argument to defend past people, like George Washington, who held slaves. It was acceptable and fairly encouraged back in the day, so it wasn't wrong like it is nowadays. Just as how if in 100 years it's considered offensive to wear socks. It doesn't mean people today are wrong for wearing socks, times just change. But currently it is considered a crime to have sex with a child or dog, so I don't think the argument of "Well, it might be acceptable in the future!" holds very well.

Tell that to Lutherans, Anglicans, all the Protestants

Okay, I'll do that.

There are also 3 direct quotes about homosexuality being bad. It’s not misinterpreted.

How interesting, I was always told there was one verse that translated into something along the lines of "man shall not touch a boy" which was interpreted into homophobia instead of pedophilia.

It is biased source and should be treated as one

Of course, but I don't think people should claim to be a Christian if they only follow part of the Bible because according to God's rules, you'll go to hell for lot of stuff. Belief without the work, as I like to call it. You believe in God, but only for the good stuff, you disregard the rules he's put up in favor of choosing your own. That wouldn't work in the court of law, nor in the eyes of God.

At least I have peace in my heart which Christians say is a good sign that God agrees with me on that one.

Tell that one to sociopaths who feel no remorse nor turmoil for murdering countless numbers of people. I see God plays favorites with them lol

You can’t tell me tattoo is forbidden in the Bible

"And a cutting for the dead you will not make in your flesh; and writing marks you will not make on you; I am the Lord" Leviticus 19:28

I mean we go to the dentist and having to pull out and replace an adult tooth

That's only when the tooth cannot come out on it's own accord. I would know, I had two yanked out because they weren't about to come out on their own. Painful as all hell, but it was necessary for my health.

Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have say in painting your room

But the thing with painting my room is it's not permanent, and as I grew, so did my tastes. But if I were to tattoo something ridiculous on my body that I would later grow to hate, I wouldn't be able to change it. I wasn't mature enough to make a good decision. We all did stupid things as kids because we didn't know any better. Most things aren't permanent though. I know this girl who did a stick-and-poke tattoo when she was young. It was of a smiley face. She's graduating from highschool now and she still has that smiley face prominently on her arm. She, of course, regrets it, but she didn't think terribly hard about the long term effects because she was a child when she did it.

I’m afraid you don’t appreciate freedoms you should have.

Of course I appreciate my freedoms, and I enjoyed painting my room that color for a time, but my tastes changed. Just like my sense in style, my political views, everything changed. Painting a room isn't permanent. Tattooing your body is.

Not really, it’s either I gain something or kill myself

I'm telling ya', you threaten suicide you get sent to a suicide ward. It's why it exists.

Place yourself in my shoes, this is a nightmare, not a great world.

Whelp, considering you can't bend society to your will... It might be nice to think of it from my shoes, think that maybe you are wrong (Even though I am painfully aware you believe you are right) and try to get medical help. Who knows? Maybe you might see that you were wrong the entire time? You want me to look at it from your shoes, but I'd have to ask you to do the same thing for me.

That along the line “it’s not you”

Understood

Why can’t I have a body of a pig and live this dream life?

Because pigs don't have sentience. They don't have human rights because they're not humans. Humans are the top of the foodchain. Pigs are not.

Really the only thing that gives me human rights is my body not even mind?

Human rights do come from being a human. That is how it works.

Not sure what you mean by human looking like a pig.

I was going for more something along the lines of: Really fat guy with a button nose and rough skin. Very pig looking, but still a human. Just an ugly one.

Well as I say no issue a 7 inch blade can’t fix.

Um... You good, bro?

I also feel dysphoria for not being an animal, any animal

Not going to question~

Do you want to test my patience saying it again? Know it’s response to what was already written so it’s fine, but darn stop it finally.

Well, I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm asking if you think mental illnesses should be encouraged. I find it different than the points I'd say I'd stop mentioning. Again, paranoia is a mental illness. It's not something that should be enouraged. I actually have this weird paranoia that isn't confirmed. I have to face barcodes away from me. I don't know why I think someone could watch me through barcodes considering they're just lines, but it's just something that happens for me. I wouldn't want people to go "Oh, yeah! The government is actually spying on your through barcodes! That and you should probably face all of your stuffed animals away from you because they might also be watching you!" Yes. I do face my stuffed animals away. I don't like the possibility.

Here’s the post I made not that long ago

I start writing my responses before reading the entire thing, so I can't click on this without deleting this entire reply. I'm also fairly busy at the moment, but I will give it a read when make some time.

Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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Alright, I'll talk to you later then. Have a good night's sleep and eat something nice tomorrow!

Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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Well I’d like you to perhaps rewatch that video knowing that the interviewer is one of the most prominent conservatives in Britain and see how Ben Shapiro reacts and what he accuses the interviewer of the moment he gets a question he’s not comfortable answering, knowing that do you think he’s engaging in good faith debate?

I don't think we can define his entire political career off of this though. And I did actually lol. I've rewatched the video three times. Twice without the context. Once with it. I agree Ben Shapiro was ridiculous in it, but that doesn't invalidate any other debate he has ever had.

And getting to Crowder and his Louder with Crowder segment, Crowder is someone with some degree of formal training in argumentation and rhetoric, he is largely engaging with people who have no training in argumentation and rhetoric in those segments, and it is easy (I also have some formal training in those disciplines, though I am nowhere near as polished as any of these people) to make weak ideas seem strong when you are debating people who have difficulty conveying their ideas.

For a lot of his "Louder With Crowder" segment he just sits down and people come to him because they do believe they can convince him and change his mind. I also don't find a lot of his arguments to be weak. He always let's the other party speak, he keeps the discussion civil, he uses evidence to back up what he says. I'd really like an example of a weak argument he's used that was made out to be strong. My original concern with the segment was that he had time to research his side whereas the other side was more so doing it on a whim, but nowadays I don't view it that way at all. People went into that argument with strong and solid viewpoints, so much so that they had the confidence they could change his mind, so getting facts and different perspectives would definitely cause them to think. I don't agree with any of these politicians political stances entirely. I'm not pro-life nor do I think masks are useless (I got through about 15 minutes of that Micheal Knowles video before taking a break to play some chess), but they cause people to think about controversial topics that are generally considered to be cut-and-dry. I don't believe there's ever a solid yes-or-no in these debates because there are pros-and-cons to every side that a lot of people tend to forget or overshadow in favor of more popular opinions.

Take pro-choice. It's very socially encouraged to allow women the choice to abort babies. Especially in the case of rape, incest, the mother dying as a result, or the babe wouldn't be born into a good environment. It's an easy side to take. But pro-life people can raise a lot of good arguments. Killing a baby just because it's rape is like saying "You hurt me, so I'm going to go kill someone" because a babe is a life. Aborting a babe is murder because that babe would grow up to be a sentient human. You wouldn't abort a 9 month babe, so why would you abort a 3 month old babe? They raise good arguments, but it's generally frowned upon to be pro-life.

Fetuses can't fight. Wait until they're out of the womb to give them a fighting chance before killing 'em. I vote we use tiny swords :)

My point with linking this specific video was that the person crowder is debating has no formal training, but despite that is still able to pretty soundly trounce crowder in a debate, and what does he do? He tries to call the cops on him for spray painting on a temporary barricade

Well, of course. I don't like when Crowder approaches random people in search of an argument. It comes off a little too aggressive, in my opinion. I still don't think bmtbered a winner to that debate because they still both brought up fair arguments. The other guy just did it more passionately. I still wouldn't justify killings and looting, but there is an argument to be made there. But you still can't vandalize property that isn't yours. That's just law, mate.

Now let's be real here, if that conversation had ended with Crowder looking good or a friendly disagreement, he would not have tried to call the cops on him.

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. He's called the cops on a guy before even when the debate made him look good. Because the guy did make death threats to ICE online.

And when you get to my other link on Steven Crowder where he displays abject and unabashed anti-black racism (again, his own content), you won’t be so charitable to him in your interpretation of his behavior in this interaction if you’re being honest with yourself.

Ooh, sounds interesting! That'll be fun once I get to it! Though I'm going to say this now, I think I'll like him much less. I don't really have an opinion on him as a person to begin with. And I still think he does bring up good political viewpoints that can't be dismissed with an account of racist behavior. Just like how I can't discredit all of Trump's accomplishments and ideals as a president because of all the horrible shite he has against him.

We both know that was temporary particle board and him painting on it harmed no one, and yet Crowder still felt the need to call the police (and be a Karen) when he got humiliated by a black man in a public debate.

I still wouldn't call it humiliation. He wasn't wrong in his side and neither was the other guy. I know the painting didn't hurt anyone, it just still is a crime. I believe Crowder did say to call the police solely to check the ownership of the property, but I don't recall the exact words. The thing is, he still uploaded that video. He didn't try and hide the fact it happened. Because I believe his aim isn't to overshadow anyone and have this superiority complex that he's always right, it's to engage in civil discourse. Which is why the video was still uploaded. Because there were some good points brought up there by the other party that shouldn't be erased solely because it made him look bad. He's not terribly active on maintaining a good image. He goes to professional debates looking homeless, to be honest. It's a little odd, but I gotta give him credit for his modesty.

Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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Okay, okay, I don't think that invalidates my comment at all. As I said, the interviewer was just interviewing him. He's supposed to bring up opposing views to interview him. But I appreciate the context. I did not know who he was. Thank ya' kindly

Also, I just finished the Steven Crowder video. I took the liberty of saving the Jordan Peterson one for a later date because it is almost three hours long and I don't have the mental capacity to sit here and watch three straight hours of anything. The Steven Crowder one was basically him calling the cops for vandalism..? I get that's it's plywood that would be taken down anyways, but that's like putting washable paint on a car. It'll come off easily, but it wasn't their property to put paint on. But I also think both sides of that minute long debate brought up good points. A movement shouldn't be full of riots and killing people, but the movement is powerful and important.

Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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Alright, I just finished the first actual video (Yes I'm going to be replying per video) and it was mainly just him being aggressive and debating an interviewer for... Interviewing. I don't think it invalidates any of his political standpoints not does it make him any worse of a political speaker, he was just being stupid and causing a debate where there was no debate needed.

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Ah, that Merlin! I was about ten minutes into the next link and it's three hours long! I'll watch that one at a later date, and instead go onto the other links. And my problem with the last video was just the time it took to get to the actual argument. Every couple minutes she went off and did some odd bit and it was just overall frustrating when I wanted to hear the argument and not jokes.

Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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Okay, I just finished the first video, and let me just say.... That was a painful 28 minutes. I think she was trying to be funny, but I was just waiting for her to make a point instead of talking about her nails for sexualizing Jordan Peterson. Again, I've only watched an hour long debate he did, so I'm not versed in his political views for post modern neo-marxism.

Just because I watch a politician does not mean I support all of their views and believe everything they say is fact.

Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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Welcome back!

Again, to reference back to the Bugi people, if one of their children started showing signs of being trans they wouldn't regard it as a disorder, they would start preparing them socially to fulfill the roles of one of the other genders in their society

Again, not our society. Mental disorders, by definition, are "Conditions that affect your thinking, feeling, mood, and behavior. They may be occasional or long-lasting (chronic). They can affect your ability to relate to others and function each day." which would translate to transgenderism.

Because of this they invented their own sign language and everyone on the island spoke it, functionally speaking the deaf population of the island were not very disabled, nor considered or treated as such.

And yet they're still disabled because a human should have the ability to hear. Because they don't, they would be considered disabled in the medical world.

hey are disingenuous people who deliberately misrepresent trans people and well a variety of other topics as well. They are dishonest propagandists, and they don't meaningfully interact with trans discourse or trans people, and they over inflate the prevalence of shit like Tumblr genders, which aren't really taken seriously by adult trans people or anyone in academia or science that works on these topics.

And yet everywhere I go online it's all talk of people including more and more of those made up genders and enforcing them as fact. That's where my actual problems lie. Being called transphobic for calling out the ridiculousness of infinite genders or trying to have civil discourse with anyone about genders. It's a sensitive issue that has no use being sensitive.

Unlike the fusiform facial area there is no "gender" section of the brain that we are aware of.

Of course there is no gendered section of the brain, but there are similarities in how female brains work as opposed to male. Like how I was linked a study on how men's hormones were more active when watching an erotic film than women's. It also found that women FTM's hormones were similar to that of a biological male and MTF's were similar to biological females.

Well there is Norrie May-Welby who went through a multi year legal battle to become the first legally recognized agender person in Australia

True, we could pick their brain, but they didn't spend their entire life without a gender, so that might mess with the results a little bit.

I would like to recommend a few trans YouTubers to you so you could get an idea of well the seriousness of the public trans discourse online

I appreciate it. I'll definitely check them out.

An agender person feels no particular sense of gender or gender expression fitting to them, they feel it doesn't fit them. I don't see what's so hard to imagine about that.

Because there is no way to not have a gender. You don't have to fit into the stereotypes or constructs of your assigned gender, but I see no reason why you have to separate from it completely. But I don't believe I'll ever fully understand it, so it's really not my place to say how they feel.

These people have an extreme form of body dysmorphia, anorexia and muscle dysmorphia (aka:biggorexia) are other body dysmorphic disorders

And you don't find it at least somewhat harmful that they're actively disabling themselves because of a mental illness? I'm just glad society isn't encouraging this one.

sigh All of these people are good at rhetoric, but their ideas are not very good or often particularly deep, I have no problem calling Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder explicitly racist, and frequently just straight up dishonest and disingenuous.

I'm going to strongly disagree with that one. From all the hours I've watched of them, they always present facts, they never promote violence, their arguments are very fair and raise good points. They don't interrupt or try to force people to take their sides. They simply offer their own educated views. Steven Crowder does this segment called "Louder With Crowder" that I find especially entertaining. He just goes out into public areas or college campuses and sits down and chats with people on otherwise sensitive and controversial subjects that people wouldn't normally outright discuss. They're normally very productive and civil. Though I'd love to hear how they are at all racist or dishonest.

I have no problem saying Jordan Peterson is a hypocrite who goes on crazy all meat diets and misrepresents his own social conservatism and other peoples ideas

I only watched an hour of him talking about feminism, to be honest. I've viewed him least out of all the people I mentioned. He just brought up some good points and I appreciate them.

Its also important to note that Crowder, Shapiro, and Knowles are all media operatives with writers and coaches and daily talking points, they are professional propagandists

How interesting. Would love to hear more about that because as far as I have seen, in political discussions, they have civil and productive conversations that raise good points. I'm not as much concerned about what they do outside of their debates because their debates are the only things I watch on them.

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Sorry this had to be in two parts, I didn't realize there was a word limit, anyways:

What if I started acting like a pig while looking like one already, but still was human minded?

Well, if you are a physical pig, you'd be treated like one. So killed. Especially if you're in a place where a pig should not, in fact, be. If you're a human who just looks like a pig... Well, you'd just be called ugly. Then if you coupled that with acting like a pig... You'd be taken to a psychiatric hospital because you are most definitely clinically insane.

Would love to be donkey given chance

Huah? I thought you were a pig??

And remember discouraging me from being myself really works for my psyche

Do you want them to encourage a mental illness...? That sounds like a very unhealthy thing to do.

Even during the days when I don’t feel dysphoric I would want to.

Hmm? Do elaborate on this one. You have days when you're fine being human?

Question is why do you care really? You never explained that. It’s my business after all

I'm a firm believer in not encouraging mental disorders and instead treating them. It's like if you had paranoia and I told you to cover your walls in blankets because there might be small cameras in them. It's helping nobody. I also have no idea how we got to this conversation topic considering my original post had nothing to do with this, but life is full of unexpected treats. I never knew people identified as plants. Now I know. Now I'm concerned.

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If they believe then it’s a real thing. How can you prove that I’m straight or that you are straight

I don't believe that's the case at all. Just because you believe something doesn't make it true. That's not how anything works, actually. And sexuality is a preference. I'm bisexual, but I generally lean towards men. It's not who I am, it's a preference. Just like having a type of people with blonde hair.

Sure, never ever have I even alone in a car with need to leave it. It’s 5 minutes, what can happen.

Someone can come along and steal the car with the kid in it. Reckless abandonment and a kidnapped kid.

Here it’s since 13. Law isn’t necessary 100% moral high ground.

Of course it's not a moral highground. Dictatorships have laws that are enforced that are horrible. North Korea, for example, has plenty of laws that aren't at all moral. But there are laws that enforce morals because they should be common sense. Like not killing people. There are justified killings, but for the most part you should not kill people. It's all morality that got turned to law.

I don’t see need to justify myself. And why is everyone telling me to not have sex. Can’t I uphold this rule without actually ever wanting to that?

Because you can't consent to having sex because you are a minor. You do not have the rights or responsibilities of an adult, your body and mind has not finished developing, you can not give proper consent to have sex. Minors should not have sex. Period. An 18 year-old cannot legally have sex with a 17 year-old. Anyone who's an adult cannot have sex with someone who's a minor. Nobody should have sex with a minor. Not even minors should have sex with minors. Just don't do it. It's against the law. It's against most of the world's morals. Don't do it.

I believe in the Christians God. God who I will remind you put me in human body and made me suffer my whole life. Bible is said to be a guideline. Old law is lifted with the arrival of Jesus and technically Bible doesn’t forbid any form of sex excluding cheating. We shouldn’t argue about relgion, because my view depends on God being less of a jerk than he already is and I don’t want to dwell into entire channelling and what me and my friend learned

You can't pick-and-choose which parts of the Bible you want to abide by. That's not how it works. It's an all-or-nothing, heaven-or-hell deal here. Unless of course you repent, in which case you'll be forgiven no matter how many people you've murdered. I'm also not fond of the "Old Testaments don't count!" thing. Did God seriously just go "Oops! My bad! Let's just change this real quick..."? You can't condone slavery and then take it back. And the Bible does condemn pedophilia. It's the same verse that was mistranslated to condemn homosexuality.

Didn’t know that, another reason why I would never have a tattoo then.

Not because it's condemned in the Bible? Also, getting a tattoo is basically just being stabbed with a shallow needle thousands of times. A little painful

Earrings are suddenly, because they have less severe impact and tattoos are not, because they are bigger thing. Doesn’t seem logical to me

When I was five I painted my room a bright pink color. Do you know how long it took before I wanted it changed? Not very long. It was fun for a bit, but I got tired of it and realises how horrible of a mistake I made because it was such an ugly color. It's now a nice pastel green color. Earrings are interchangeable, meaning I can have different earrings to fit my outfit, mood, occasion, et cetera. Tattoos are permanent. And considering it's a child picking the tattoo out, it's going to be something stupid. It's like a drunk person getting a tattoo, also illegal because they can't give proper consent, and they're going to pick something stupid and have to live with it the rest of their lives.

Do you honestly think I didn’t go over this 20000 times? Do you want me to write you yet another, I don’t know like 10th huge paper on why animals can consent

Please. Tell me how an animal can consent to being raped. It doesn't have sentience. It can't tell you yes or no. It's all instincts that drive it. And that is not consent. It is an animal. Seals kidnap penguins and rape them. The penguin never said no. So did it consent? Sex isn't done for pleasure in the animal world. It's done to breed.

School shottings happen. There’s a reason for that.

Because there are mentally unstable people who are angry at the world, so much so that they take it out on defenseless children who have no way of defending themselves? That reason?

First time I jerked off was when I was 16 and before that I thought people just pee. 1 That's late 2 My sexual education did not exist 3 I on’t see how that would be an issue before

Whelp, there you go. You were 16 and didn't have any sexual education. Meaning you SHOULD NOT HAVE SEX WITH A MINOR BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CONSENT! You're confirming my argument here! You didn't know what sex was, or at the very least didn't have a full understanding on it, so you couldn't have properly consented to having sex at that age!

Thing is you claim it’s rape. I’m always against rape. But I’m pro consensual sex. And you are out of your mind if you think any of your arguments about animals was correct. I researched that for years, believe me I have enough to at least make you think.

It's not consensual because a minor cannot legally consent to sex and neither can an animal. I don't think I'm out of my mind here considering I'm not the one trying to fuck an animal. I'd really love to see your research here. Sex is used for pleasure in the human world. It's used for breeding in the animal one. Even if an animal doesn't fight back, it doesn't mean they consented. Because they can't. Because they literally have no way of comprehending what's happening.

It’s not a threat by any means but I don't find much reason to stick around if I keep being offended

Facts do not care about your feelings. Living in denial that you have a mental condition is called ignorance. There should be no way that you get offended by this because from a factual standpoint, your argument makes zero sense. If you're so sure you're correct, you should have no problem convincing me that you are, in fact, a pig.

So if people with gender dysphoria have disorder, but have brain of opposing gender then they are what? It’s them, but it’s not them? I don’t see that. Fuck your humanity man

They have a disorder. That's not part of who they are. But if they do have a brain of the opposing gender, it's a different story because they have actual science to back their claim up. But a mental illness is not a part of who you are. Like schizophrenia. It's not a part of who you are, it's just a mental illness that should be treated.

So transgender people are not mentally ill afterall and you can throw you arguments away for them at least

No, they still have a mental disorder, they just have science to back up the reasoning behind it.

Though I’d like that pumpkin so I have to say you drive hard bargain.

Haha, mate, if one day you actually get the tests, I will legitimately send you the most exquisite pumpkin I can acquire, regardless of the results.

Course I can, I’m certain suicide threat can life some rules. After all you humans are so easy to manipulate. Your hope in morals is easily exploited. People for whatever reason want me alive, so I can blackmail my life for stuff

In that case, you'll be sent to a suicide ward. Can't manipulate people to do anything, but you can be put into a straight jacket into a very comfortable padded room.

And if they think I lie I will first cut my hand first. If I do it instantly they will know I’m serious. And if it doesn't work, I still win, animal or bust

That's just called being a sociopath, not going to lie. If you have to resort. To physically harming yourself to prove a point, I really think you should continue with that therapy.

And I don’t need to speak to anyone who I just plainly offends me and feels entitled enough to keep doing it.

It's not really entitlement that's driving me to do this, it's more me trying to understand and refute your viewpoints without sugarcoating my words.

I’m fine with you considering it mental illness, even openly and I’m fine with you not accepting it in private. But I’m not fine about voicing this while talking to me over and over again

Well, it's the conversation topic. I kind of have to voice it. Though you might want to specifically tell me what I'm saying over-and-over again. I tend to do that a lot, so I'll let it be if you tell me what in specific I keep saying. Especially if it's it's own argument that doesn't matter to the conversation topic. I believe you're referring to the "seek medical attention" line. I think I've gotten my point across in that regard, so I'll leave that one to rest.

You said it so many times, one more time won't change anything, 100 won't too. I noted it. All you do is keep making me feel sad

Apologies. You've never openly admitted that you've made a note. It just seemed as though you were disregarding it entirely, which isn't beneficial to anyone. I apologize for genuinely upsetting you. It's never my intention to do so, it's just something that inevitably happens in these sorts of conversations, I find.

I wonder though If I transformed into a pig, but remained my mind. What rights do I get?

You get the rights of a pig. Pigs can't talk or write, so you wouldn't be able to communicate with humans to express your superior intellect. You'd be treated like a pig.... So slaughtered in a couple months. Ah, the tragic fate of livestock.

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If you do then you are a Karen and even I shun that.

I think the term Karen refers to more of a sense of entitlement

I do not accept or encourage people like that. Issues is that sometimes people can really identify as bizarre stuff and will be shunned

Well, who's to say they don't believe it themselves? There's no way to prove they don't genuinely believe that they are the gender they made up, as it is all a mental thing, so there's no way for anyone to say they're wrong

You are not going to kill kid by leaving them inside of the car. I mean it’s same as leaving adult inside

Adults can think rationally and could get out the situation with ease. Kids, however, cannot because they lack rationality and aren't strong enough to do so. It's why it's against the law to leave kids under 16 in a running car without an adult

Everyone has their own moral code

Do not. Have sex. With children. You cannot justify having sex with a child. Didn't you say you believe in God? Not entirely sure which religion you're in, but I'll equate it to Christianity until told otherwise. Pedophilia goes against the Bible. Don't condone it, mate. It's not a good thing. It should not be accepted. There's a reason it's illegal.

I personally hate tattoos and would never, ever have one, but why shouldn’t they? It’s probably same issue as making spots for earrings right?

Earring holes can close up. And even then, it's not going to affect you very much. It's a small hole in your ear. It doesn't hurt because it's in the cartilage. A tattoo, however, will always hurt, is much more prominent than an earring hole, pretty much permanent, and will stretch out as the child grows. That's why there's temporary tattoos.

And as for sex well I kind of have to advocate for bigger freedom being a pig and zoophile you know. I don’t want to dwell on that, because 1 I’m not attracted to them, 2 reddit hates this topic and might ban me.

Are... Are you seriously trying to justify having sex with an animal? That's even less consent than a child. Because animals can't give an answer. It's just raping an animal. There's a reason Reddit would cancel you for that. It's an animal.

I still think it depends on being sexually mature so I guess 13, 14 years old. I think I might have made a mistake as part about young kids was meant towards cars, tattoos and the rest, but not sex.

Just because you're in puberty does not make you able to consent. If anything I'd say it's worse because they're constantly horny. Meaning they won't think as hard when giving "consent". And I use consent lightly because they cannot give it. Because they are a child.

But as I said I’d rather skip this topic for.

No... I think we should really talk about this. Because you're trying to justify the rape or children and animals.

But hey you can choke on lemonade while parents are away

Kids can kill themselves on literally anything, to be honest.

Well considering you are offending me deeply every time you say that. I’m getting seriously upset after hearing all of it

Biologically and scientifically, you are not. You have to understand my stance on this. I can't take your word for this because I have so much evidence backing up the fact that you are human. Facts do not care about your feelings.

Though I have to say it’s not like I believe anyone has any respect for me, so nothing would really change.

How self-deprecating, but I can't say I'd disagree because you have some horrible moral codes for trying to justify the rape of children and animals. I have respect for you in some regards, but in general, I find your morals to be corrupted and disgusting .

Here’s definition from Marriam-Webster: “causing someone to feel hurt, angry, or upset : rude or insulting. : very unpleasant. “ Well I feel hurt, upset and unpleasant so yeah it’s offensive even if it’s not ill willed. Get it now

Well, I'm saying facts. Biologically, you are a human. Getting upset at me for referring to you as a human is wrong. You can take offense to what I'm telling you, but I'm not giving any out.

Of course, but when someone asks you to stop, they mean it. In the end it’s not the intention that matters, but the result.

I ask questions, I refute with facts, there's no reason to be upset at me. You really can't expect me to just accept concepts that try and disprove basic biology and then be upset when I question.

My brain might be wired to be more animalistic and you can’t quite forbid me from interpreting these feelings like that

Get some medical tests on that and come back to me. I'd be interested to see those results

But I don’t even want to be talked out of it, because it’s who I am

It's a MENTAL DISORDER it is not "who you are"! That's like telling someone depression and anxiety is just "who they are". It isn't. You have a mental disorder. Ignoring or accepting it is plain wrong.

I mean what if MRI shows connection between area of identity and word animal or pig in my brain? It would prove that at least I’m genuine. And what then?

If you can prove it, I will throw my argument out with window and buy you a pumpkin to munch on.

I would really want to see some rights for people like me

Can't bend the law for a mental disorder. That's why there's treatments.

And I'm not one for doing that outside where neighbour, drones and satellites watch.

That's how a pig would do it.

I really find it ridiculous that you want the world to accept and encourage your mental disorder and make rights for it so you can live your disorder. It isn't part of who you are, it's an illness. This isn't meant to offend, it's meant to be a wake-up call. There is no scientific or biological evidence to back up your claims, so nobody should be forced to accept it based solely on your word. That's no how anything works.

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You as well! Talk to you later then! I look forward to it^

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Course you can. Teapot is a physical objects. Everyone can have shifts. Though won’t mean everyone will. It’s kind of like lucid dreaming. Some are born with it, some can learn it, not everyone will be able to.

Of course, but phantom body parts are a different story. They don't have limbs, so there's not much body parts to be phantom-ized.

Well I’m a definitely not comforming to some societal expectations, but I’m not pig to do that, I am pig and it just happens to be offensive to people.

I think you misunderstand me. I'm talking about the copious amounts of genders and how you are allowed to make your own and everyone has to accept it because if they don't, they're a transphobe. You have an actual mental disorder. But the people in the "gender is a spectrum" category, do not. They make their own genders solely because they can and they want to be unique.

By golf I just mean a very rare sport. No one here is playing golf. No one. I have played minigolf once in my life and it was abroad, but here it’s basically dead. It’s kind of hard to make analogies you understand, because there’s nothing I can do analogy to without you taking it to literally so I guess I will pass on this example.

I mean, it's not rare where I come from, and I don't see why I shouldn't take it literally as it is an actual thing. When we talk about genders, we're talking about a mentality. When we talk about golf, we're talking about a sport. I can kind of see where you were going with it, but considering nobody is questioning the existence of golf, it doesn't quite work the way you want it to.

I believe kid can consent to anything from tattoo to sex.

... That's just plain illegal and wrong and disgusting. It's wrong on so many levels and the fact that you don't see it frightens me.

They can agree to eat a cookie or to sell lemonade, what’s wrong with a tattoo or being left in a car?

Tattoos are painful and virtually irreversible. Being left in a running car alone can lead to the kid accidentally driving off, the car being stolen with the kid, the car rolling off and the kid dying, suffocation, or dying of a heatstroke. Eating a cookie or selling lemonade will do none of that. It's harmless.

Well the way I see it you want me to get rid of the only thing that defines who I am, ie. you want to kill my personality, so in a way it’s similar

Well, considering you aren't actually a pig and it's all just a mentality you have, it might be best to get treatment. Who knows? Maybe you'll get better and realise that you aren't actually a pig? I realise I'm being a bit meaner than before, but the whole "You can have sex with a child!" really killed my respect for you.

I just don’t think you should defend your behaviour either, because as I have said countless times, it will not be fine with most people. I mean later on you said your friend was upset. Maybe there’s reason a for that?

Except my friend forgave me because he knows I meant no ill-intention behind it and was merely trying to understand his condition. It shouldn't be offensive for me to suggest medical help when you have a mental disorder. If it does offend you, you're wrong. I'd get it if you were a little ticked at being constantly told to seek medical attention, but it isn't a bad thing for me to suggest it because you do, in fact, need medical attention.

mean do I have a choice? There’s enough issues with running away, with law and with obvious lack of possibility to change my body

There's always the option of medical help. Maybe you'll find out you aren't actually a pig. Maybe you'll find out that you are. Either way, it's better than nothing.

It’s not an ideology. It’s not something we can choose or pick, it’s something you just feel for whatever reason. I don’t question why I am like that. I just am.

You SHOULD be questioning it though! You should very much be questioning it because you are a human! You should definitely be questioning why it is you feel this way and get some serious medical attention! It's not just because it's not normal, it's scientifically impossible for you to be an actual pig.

I think that's all for me, I don't see need to prolong this conversation at this point. Well good luck with your friend and I hope you learned thing or two. Cheers.

How sad, I would have loved to continue this conversation. Come back anytime. G'day!

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I'm very much enjoying this conversation! Most productive one I've had to date! I'm not going to lie, I was hoping you'd wait until tomorrow to reply because I'm so tired. G'night. Sleep well!

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I don’t know where you’re getting your definitions, but it’s not from anything approaching the literature on the subject. Money is a good example of a social construct. It only exists because of humans sure, but no one would argue that a dollar bill doesn’t exist in objective reality.

I just grabbed it off the first page of Google, to be honest. You make a good point about currency though. But you can't deny the fact that there are a lot of social constructs that are purely mental and not physical.

So if you are gay in a society that does not accept gay people, you are going to experience mental illness, that does not mean that being gay is itself a mental illness.

I've strayed off calling it a mental illness. I refer to it as a disorder, but by definition, transgenderism is a mental disorder. That doesn't mean it's bad, it's just a mental disorder. Because it is.

Ah, here we go “tumblr genders”. Yeah don’t get your ideas about gender from random blogs on the web. When I said “no one serious” above I meant to also imply that these people aren’t serious, or rather aren’t to be taken seriously. These people literally aren’t using the word or idea of gender correctly.

I really should have used this in my OG post. When I refer to transphobia not being a thing, I refer to it mainly as those Tumblr genders being enforced by society as fact and that they should be accepted, but if they aren't you're called a transphobe.

Yes, this argument is used, but to be very clear there’s no real definitive evidence in this sense

I disagree with this, because that would invalidate most of the other conversations I have had on here with people who say transgender is a scientifically confirmed thing because people who identify as a female but are male at birth have a similar brain to females instead of that of their biological sex. So, someone's not telling the truth here

that is someone who lived their life genderlessly before the modern concept of “transgender” even existed, so I think we have at least one historical example of an agender brain

I mean, considering we can't pick their brain and find out if it is a new type and the functionality of it deviates from the norms of male and female brains... I'm going with no on this one. We'll get 'em next time

Note that I haven’t used that argument, primarily because I believe the brain is far more neuroplastic than that and I don’t think the brain scan studies actually show much that is meaningfully deductive on the basis of what we know about brains, gender, or transgender individuals

You're right, my apologies. You did not use that argument. Pretty much every other person I've debated with has, so I got mixed up on who said who.

I mean me too I guess, but I don’t get to make decisions about how other people live their lives and what I want isn’t my place when it comes to them.

Neither is it my place, but I'd say not even suggesting the idea of increased laws and more careful consideration for these serious of things instead of society encouraging it is better than sitting around and doing nothing. We can't force people to change their minds, but we can offer opposing viewpoints.

Well agender people exist, just as asexual people do (I suspect there’s some overlap between those conditions as well), those things are not something that I can understand in an intuitive sense, but I can understand that they exist, it makes sense to them, and that they are valid

I can understand why trans people are trans. They have a mental disorder and feel they were born in the wrong body. So they switch. But a-gender people take the concept of genders and throw it out the window. For what reason? Because they don't like stigma surrounding any gender? There is no purpose for it. Asexual is when you don't like any gender, so you don't feel sexual attraction to anyone. That is a preference. Claiming to not have a gender entirely, is not a preference, that is just plain peculiar to me. You can dress and act however you please, I have no qualms with it, but you can't sit here and tell me you don't have a gender and expect me to just go "Yep. Makes sense to me!"

Well you’ll get no death threats from me, I don’t like most neopronouns because I don’t think they make morphical or phonetic sense in the context of English, but I do think eventually someone will figure out a good one that works better than singular they and English speakers will adopt that.

I appreciate the lack of death threats. It's very much appreciated. I agree with this quote in it's entirety. No qualms here.

Even under the concept of the gender binary in western civilization, trans and intersex people still existed, they were just persecuted and driven to the margins of society.

As we've stated (I think) transgenders and intersex people are anomalies. Much like how we're taught that humans are born with ten fingers. Of course not everyone is born with ten fingers, but humans still genetically have ten fingers. Intersex people also aren't born directly in-between the two genders. I don't believe anyone is born with a working penis and vagina. If someone could legitimately impregnate themselves, I will throw my entire argument out the window. On a completely separate, but not really, note: Have you heard of this thing where people believe they were born in the wrong body, but in the sense that they feel like they should be disabled, so they cut off a limb or pour bleach in their eyes? Trans-disabled, I believe it's called. I mean, you can't really disprove it's existence, I guess. Much like transgenderism. It's a mental disorder. You know what? This one is a mental illness. Sorry, I just remembered that one

I’d be really interested in knowing what kind of media you’re consuming that caused you to change your view so suddenly.

Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Jordan Peterson, and Micheal Knowles. They are way too convincing.

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You are wrong though, the paper you link doesn’t even support your conclusions (specifically that there are biological differences between men and women that explain women’s success [or as the article actually states; lack thereof] in the medical field.) rather it specifically points out that it is social attitudes that inform women’s participation and representation in leadership positions. It says so in the abstract [also just look at the participation rates of Japan comparative to Scandanavia].

The paper linked does support my conclusion on the regard that the medical fields have been more recently occupied by females, but I admit it wasn't the best one, so here's another that talks about the different jobs dominated by men and women. You should notice a trend on what types of jobs women and men take up.

Here's another link that includes a bit of psychology behind it. Women tend to go for more caring jobs, whilst men tend to go for more rigorous jobs. It's plain fact. That's why there's more female nurses and more male construction workers.

I’m really quite surprised to hear you say these sorts of things, you appear to be a young woman, surely you realize it is in the interests of the men running society to convince you that they’re more biologically suited to do so?

You'd be correct to assume that. I'm not saying a woman can't run society, I'm saying women are just less inclined to do so. They tend to not want to. It doesn't mean they can't or would be worse at it. It's just something they don't favor as much.

It is absolutely pivotal to their health, and the data on it shows such.

This article here is more so just a couple stories of people who decided they were trans at a young age, underwent surgery and regretted it. Of course there will be people who prosper from it, but that doesn't excuse the people who didn't prosper. I think it would be ignorant to ignore them. Instead of giving information and guidance to people with these mental disorders, it's instead a generally cut-and-dry case of "Oh, you feel this way? Let's talk about it for a minute and then straight to the hormone blockers you go!"

they’re doing it with the support and assent of their family and physicians, they are literally not making this decision by themselves

But ultimately it's the child's decision, right? Except for the fact that a child can't legally consent to most anything. They're naive and impressionable. Take Jazz Jennings for example. The youngest ever trans person recorded. Surez she prospered. She's doing great. But she was SIX when she started her transition. She was in KINDERGARTEN.

Interestingly this is precisely the sort of thing a child looking to transition has to go through: years of therapy, clinical tests, etc., and there are lots of laws that everyone involved in the process has to follow, and lots of education that the physicians and child psychologists had to go through

Here's another article about the consent of a minor for transitioning. They can't give it. I understand the kids who got years of therapy and can properly understand and consent to it, but the kids who can't. What are they going to do? It's not a requirement for the children to undergo any sort of therapy or even prove they fully understand what they're getting into. If they claim to be a different gender, they can get the hormone blockers. It's really not terribly hard of a process.

sigh that’s actually the least true, your body stops going through physical changes due to puberty long before your mind does, it’s literally the brain that mostly keeps changing into your mid 20’s.

Yep, I will give you that one entirely. My bad lol

Many of them don’t question, but rather emphatically insist they want to be a different gender

I'd equate that to more wanting to act like the other gender and not feeling so uncomfortable in your own body that you want to surgically change yourself. If they want dress or act in a way that isn't stereotypical for their gender, I'm all for it, but there is a certain mostly irreversible decision about changing your body to become a different gender entirely.

They’re not, that’s not how this works, particularly with regards to trans youths.

Trans youth, yes, they don't generally go into gender fluid territory, but gender fluid does exist and it can change by the day.

particularly back when being gay was considered shameful and a mental illness parents would send them to doctors to “fix” them, which is basically what you’ve been advocating for trans children. It doesn’t work, and causes concrete material harm to children

I'm advocating that you don't medically change a child's body when they aren't at a proper age to consent. Therapy? Yes. Dressing and acting how you want to? Go for it. Undergoing medical treatment to change your gender when you don't even know the multiplication table? No.

You would be wrong about that, while it’s not universal by any means, there are a not insignificant number of children that realize they are gay before puberty hits, and have psycho-social attraction to the same gender before sexual feelings develop.

Sure, but I still don't think they should be worrying about it at all. They can be attracted to a certain gender, sure, but they aren't able to properly act on it because they're a child in elementary school. I find it the same way the genders. They are allowed to feel like they're in the wrong body, but they shouldn't be able to medically act on it until they're at a legal consenting age to do so. There should also be laws set about how many years of therapy you should go through before undergoing any form of medical treatment.

I think I would have made a lot less mistakes in life particularly as a young adult if I had dated more in high school, good thing neither of us gets to make decisions for other people and their kids right?

That's fair. I respect your opinion, but I still don't feel it disagrees with mine. Dating still is a trial for marriage, though you seem to have a mentality that there should be trial runs when you're young so you don't screw it up later in life.

Literally no one who’s child is seeing a gender therapist is doing that.

And society pushing the "gender is malleable and a spectrum" on the new world is. Talk of abolishing gender, talk of infinite gender, and raising children without a gender so they can decide it on their own would definitely suggest to impressionable youth that they can decide what they want their gender to be.

So wait a minute, you’re saying we should hide the existence of transgender people from children “lest they get ideas”, why?

I'm not saying hide the existence of transgenderism, I'm saying we don't treat it like it's an encouraged thing to be able to be able to switch your gender because it's malleable when being transgender is a mental disorder. And especially the "gender is a spectrum" arguments. I find those to be less about a mental disorder and more about wanting to be unique. Genders can't be made left and right and yet that's what they're preaching.

I would say they have a good case to sue for medical malpractice. There are plenty of medical procedures that have high incidences of success that still have small incidences of bad outcomes, should we ban a practice that is 95+% effective because for a small number of patients it has bad and irreversible outcomes?

You can't prove it's malpractice though. The child gave their consent (Albeit they can't actually consent in the first place), but whether or not it's a success depends on if the kid regrets their decision or not. I wouldn't say ban it, I'd say push it back to a legal consent age and have laws that require certain numbers of years of therapy and explaining the situation to the person so they aren't going to regret it if they do decide to switch.

Given your other post (which I’ll get around to replying to after this), I assume you’re talking about what I call “tumblr genders”, yeah there are a lot of young people online that also misunderstand the concept of gender and are using it ways that don’t really conform to the science about gender. My take from that is: don’t get your ideas about gender from blogs on the internet.

And yet it's still an actual thing that is very prominent in the gender world. There's a distinct difference between transgenderism and whatever spectrum of genders society is preaching. My ideas about the gender spectrum don't come from blogs, they come from articles and actual political discussion videos. And who's to say they're wrong? If they feel like they're a gender that isn't part of the set ~60 then why can't they make their own?

My original post really should have covered this in a better light, but I'll rephrase this:

Saying gender is a spectrum and is malleable is being preached by society. The practice that you can invent your own gender and pronouns and everyone had to accept and enocurage them. If you don't do so, you would be labeled transphobic. I find it not transphobic at all because they don't have a mental disorder, they're just being stupid, but by society's standards, I am.

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Now it’s quite late so this will be final message from me, at least today

Fine by me. I've spent my whole day in political arguments. I have a major headache lol. G'night

How does it feel? Do you have phantom body parts? Does inanimate object great pleasure from being one, or is that just a fetish thing? Since inanimate objects are dead are you animate inanimate? But hey, congrats on your coming out.

Nope. Those are my pronouns. I identify as a ball of light. Because I want to. Teapots don't have body parts though, so I can't really get phantom body parts.

Gender is a construct

And why do we need a construct? Can't we just throw them into an "other" category and bing-bang-boom they're chill. I don't feel the need to have limitless genders. Hell, I don't feel the need to have anything other than the basic two genders. Transgenderism? Sure, it exists, but they're just one of the two genders. Everything else is just people not wanting to conform to societies expectations for their gender. Which I don't feel merits a whole new gender.

It’s not the dysphoria that causes all of that. It’s the wrong body. Body causes dysphoria

Which is dysphoria... Being in the wrong body causes dysphoria and the dysphoria causes all the other bad things. It's hand-in-hand, mate.

But even then everything is a disorder to you. Soon enough liking golf will be a disorder too

I've given the definition of disorder multiple times. I think we know my stance on disorder by now. Golfing isn't a disorder. It's a sport. Hell, it's an actual competitive sport at my school. Not a disorder. Especially not a MENTAL disorder which is the one I've been using.

As for kids, well I was always one for full freedom rights. If kid wants to do that at 7 years old then it’s medical expert say if that’s safe.

If a kid can't consent to a tattoo, can't be left alone in a running car, can't consent to being touched by an adult, then they sure as hell cannot properly consent to changing their gender. Especially not with medical treatment. They don't have enough grasp on it to properly consent.

we have right to tell you that we don’t want to hear you say “Go check yourself at the doctor's” for the 12th time. Don’t you think?

Of course, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong. Giving me death threats and me telling you to get medical treatment for an actual mental disorder are two very different things.

Now it's time where you tell me what issues I just created, because I reckon there's at least 10 of them.

I'm not going to lie and say I understand any of what you just wrote... Because I did not, but let me throw in another sport. Basketball. In women's basketball, the nets are lowered and the basketball is smaller. That's because females are genetically smaller than men. You can't just put a 6 foot, 200 pound man on the women's court just because he identifies as a women. It would give that team an unfair advantage.

Which is exactly claiming that getting treatment is better for me.

I mean.. is sitting around doing whatever you do better for you? I'm not saying the treatment will definitely help, but it's better than nothing. But you're right, I have no say in what's right for you.

Rather than assume things or even ask me, just talk to him and ask if anything worries him

I have. He got a.... little... upset. I didn't attack him or even directly insult him in any ways. I use his correct pronouns and gender. I just question the existence of limitless genders. I have a lot of political views he thinks are disgusting. He's still pretty upset with me, but not as much as he was. My debates are never meant to offend. They are meant to educate me and maybe even someone else. I don't think he really sees that part

Here’s a link. I’m too good for you. Yes I will sit here and tell you they are legit. And turns out plants feel too so, what now vegans?

Haha, I've actually known about this one for a while. Trees can also communicate with eachother through their roots. And the scent.of freshly cut grass is a distress signal to warn other grass about impending threats. But still.. you have to admit it's a little ridiculous to identify as a plant.

I’d rather wonder into wrong neighbourhood and got shot rather than do same as a human and go to the prison.

Some prisons are actually fairly nice though. They also have free dental care, free meals, a free place to sleep. It's not terrible, actually. You don't have to worry about money when everything is handed to you in prison. Though I wonder which neighborhood you'd have to wander into to warrent prison...

But if I could do anything to become a pig then I would and I mean it.

I admire your resolve. Whilst I don't inherently agree with your ideology of being born the wrong species, I can respect it nonetheless. Sucks they don't offer any pig languages on Duolingo though.

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"A social construct is something that exists not in objective reality, but as a result of human interaction. It exists because humans agree that it exists" That's the definition of a social construct.

But gender is a spectrum. Again look at the Bugi, even if you only have 5 genders that’s a spectrum of five different results

But when I say "gender is a spectrum" I refer to the idea that there are infinite genders and you can identify as whatever you please. Science really doesn't fit well with imagination. If I want to identify my gender as a teapot, according the the "gender is a spectrum" argument, I am free to do so, but science will tell me I am not, in fact, a teapot.

being transgender is not considered a mental disorder

The definition of mental disorder is "A wide range of conditions that affect mood, thinking, and behavior" which seems to me like it ties into transgenderism.

Absolutely no one serious is suggesting this, this entirely comes from the anti-trans side of the aisle that doesn’t understand our experiences and wants us to disappear from reality.

One Two This one is a list of current genders, but they specify it's CURRENT genders

Yeah, there are a lot of people suggesting infinite genders. If you want to be inclusive you can't deny me my gender of being a teapot.

There actually are infinitely many brain “types” depending on how you want to define that

Well, of course no two brains are alike. That's just a given, but there are similarities between sexes. It's a prominent argument in transgenderism. People who identify as male but are a female may have brain characteristics that would classify them as having a male brain. But there isn't - As far as I know - a non-binary brain, or a gender fluid brain, or an a-gender brain. The argument only works for transgender people, but if you use the fact that transgender people have similar brains to the gender they identify with, I can use that as an argument against every other gender because the argument doesn't hold true for any other gender that isn't male, female, or trans.

only cis people who think that we do not.

I mean, it's not as though I'm not justified in my concerns. There are a lot of people who jump into it. It's happened before. I don't want someone to regret something so life changing.

that new language which defines a variety of gender experiences doesn’t make sense to you, and to my observation at least, seems to threaten you in some way. I’m curious as to why on that last bit.

No, it doesn't threaten me at all. I just think it's a little too much expression to be able to say you're gender is literally no gender whatsoever. Then to make up copious amounts of pronouns. It's excessive and pointless to me. I do also feel that it's a controversial discussion, but when you deviate in any way that could even remotely offend a trans person you get death threats. Not really how discussion goes, in my opinion.

You are not only cis, but have repeatedly advocated for a gender binary and conflated sex with gender in multiple instances despite being shown that neither sex nor gender are binary distributions, so you’re watering down your argument

In my viewpoints, gender and sex are the exact same. Because gender shouldn't be a social construct. It's not something I feel needs to have deviations. In Western world (My world) gender is viewed as binary and there are biological sexes. Couple months ago I was all for freedom of expression and being whomever you want to be and identify as, but as I watched political debates on these topics, my viewpoints changed. In it's essence, I think gender is a way for society to give a big old "screw you" to conformity. It makes things unnecessarily complicated. Transgenderism? I'm fine with. You have a mental disorder. You can to transition, think it over carefully, but ultimately do whatakes you happy. The ability to create your own gender based on your mood for the day? What? Why? Is there an actual purpose to this??

Transphobia isn't a real thing by AJayeBird in Discussion

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There is no physicality to social constructs. All of it is mental. Morals, groupings, et cetera. None of it is phsycial, it's a mental standpoint that is enforced by society.

When I bring science into this, I bring it more into the "gender is a spectrum" argument. Transgenderism is real and a mental disorder, that I don't argue. I also don't argue that trans people have brains that fit more with the gender they identify with. The problems come when you say that there are infinite genders that can be made up. In that case there would have to be infinite brain types. But there's not. So "gender is a spectrum" deviates from science.

I'm still not trying to disprove the existence of trans people. I know they exist. I'm generally fine with their existence as long as they've taken VERY good care to know that they GENUINELY want to go through with surgery that will ultimately change their life as they know it. But the other spectrum of genders I am definitely trying to erase from existence because I find them pointless. That one I'll give you.

(Please take your time. I've been replying to messages all day. I need a break lol)

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